Mark,
Could you specify some of those good reasons (i.e. why a sufficiently
large/fast enough von Neumann architecture isn't sufficient substrate
for a sufficiently complex mind to be conscious and feel -- or, at
least, to believe itself to be conscious and believe itself to feel
For being [/b
Josh: If you want to understand why existing approaches to AI haven't
worked, try
Beyond AI by yours truly
Any major point or points worth raising here?
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> For feelings - like pain - there is a problem. But I don't feel like
> spending much time explaining it little by little through many emails.
> There are books and articles on this topic.
Indeed there are and they are entirely unconvincing. Anyone who writes
something can get it published.
I
Josh: If you want to understand why existing approaches to AI haven't
worked, try Beyond AI by yours truly
Any major point or points worth raising here?
Yo, troll,
If you're really interested, then go get the book and stop wasting
bandwidth.
If you had any clue about AGI, you'd realiz
Here's a big one: Levels of abstraction.
I assume many of you are using a GUI mail client to read this. You're
interacting with it in terms of windows, panels, boxes, buttons, menus,
dragging and dropping.
The GUI was written in terms of a toolkit that implements those concepts on
top of an onto
On 6/9/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Think: if you have contributed something, it'd be in your best
interest to give accurate estimates rather than exaggerate or depreciate
them
Why wouldn't it be to my advantage to exaggerate my contributions?
But your peers in the network wo
Obviously innovation comes from all walks of life, be they opensource or
commercial people. But some entrepreneurs are more capable of appropriating
their "inventions", eg Edison did *not* invent the light bulb, but he got
famous for commercializing and patenting it. Many people simply don't hav
YKY> Think: if you have contributed something, it'd be in your best interest
to give accurate estimates rather than exaggerate or depreciate them
MW> Why wouldn't it be to my advantage to exaggerate my contributions?
YKY> But your peers in the network won't allow that.
That is an entirely diff
On 6/10/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YKY> Think: if you have contributed something, it'd be in your best
interest to give accurate estimates rather than exaggerate or depreciate
them
MW> Why wouldn't it be to my advantage to exaggerate my contributions?
YKY> But your peers in th
I'm going to temporarily ignore my doubts about accurate assessments to try
to get my initial question answered yet again.
Why wouldn't it be to my advantage to exaggerate my contributions?
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On 6/11/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm going to temporarily ignore my doubts about accurate assessments
to try to get my initial question answered yet again.
Why wouldn't it be to my advantage to exaggerate my contributions?
I'm sorry about the confusion. Let me corre
>> I'm sorry about the confusion. Let me correct by saying: it *is* to your
>> advantage to exaggerate your contributions, but your peers won't allow it.
Cool.
I'll then move back to my other point that is probably better phrased as "I
don't believe you (or any current human) can set up a
Josh:
Most AI (including a lot of what gets talked about here) is the equivalent
of
trying to implement the mail-reader directly in machine code (or
transistors,
for connectionists). Why people can't get the notion that the brain is
going
to be at least as ontologically deep as a desktop GUI is
Mark,
Again, simulation - sure, why not. On VNA (Neumann's architecture) - I
don't think so - IMO not advanced enough to support qualia. Yes, I do
believe qualia exists (= I do not agree with all Dennett's views, but
I think his views are important to consider.) I wrote tons of pro
software (usin
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