Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread Bob Mottram
In principle video on the internet may become a useful resource for AGI learning. However in practice the previous comments hand wave over a lot of very complex details, in a similar manner to how some of the early AI pioneers believed that visual interpretation would be easy. To be able to

RE: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread John G. Rose
Well yes, breezing over the details, there are many, and building the software would be a full time effort for many months at least. I'm sure there are some commercial products already built and they would be expensive to license into an AGI application. It would be nice if the solution would be

Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread a
Bob Mottram wrote: it seems infeasible that 2D templates need to be created for every possible viewing angle and scale of an object I think this is similar to how our vision works. We have visual short term memory that seem to hold 2D templates for a few seconds. We have specialized

RE: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread John G. Rose
Self, POV, I - these may be more biological, evolutionary optimized, physical things not required in an AGI. Picture two fused human brains created in a lab 50 years from now by some mad scientist. What type of self would this be? In AGI software self could be geographically distributed

Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread Bob Mottram
A think that a subset of visual imagery, the most commonly observed objects, may be stored in terms of 2D templates but I doubt that most imagery is represented in this way. Our brains are fundamentally designed to deal with 3D or 4D information. We don't live in a flatland. A greater level of

Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread Russell Wallace
On 8/4/07, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you say that should we train ourselves to prefer solutions that use more computing power? Is this because those solutions in general are more whole and manageable verses tweaked, hacked and optimized with loss of adaptability? Yes, and

Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread Mike Tintner
I'm still v. much groping here - still trying to absorb the idea of a self as essential to vision and visual object recognition. I suspect though that the kind of ideas you're suggesting - of some AGI without a self - are strictly a fiction and illusion. The self, it seems to me, is

Re: [agi] a2i2 news update

2007-08-05 Thread Patrick McKown
Robert has some good, sound, fundamental points here. Rand seems to not understand that a psychopath in respect to humanity has no value, that it is a mutation that occurs, but in a social community it has no value, in the sense that human values have to be both selfish and altruistic to have

Re: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread a
What you see is dependent on your reaction. How you react is dependent on what you see. Memory recall is an reaction. You are reacting to the image by recalling things relating to the image. Reaction is impossible if and only if you didn't see it. That means that not reacting to a stimuli is

RE: [agi] Video Mining

2007-08-05 Thread John G. Rose
For object recognition think of OCR. OCR is very good now. It's not AGI it's, I dare to say, basically a mechanical operation. For general object recognition the same type of speed and accuracy would fit the bill. Is there a self needed for OCR? For us yes a self is integral. If you are

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