Let me extend half an apology if I overstepped. I say "half" because my
criticism was not really so much personal, as against a whole approach - of
many AI-ers generally - which really is extraordinarily callow. There is a
simply vast amount of human misery and suffering, which centres on people
Bryan,
>> In my taste, testing with clueless judges is more appropriate
>> approach. It makes test less biased.
> How can they judge when they don't know what they are judging? Surely,
> when they hang out for some cyberlovin', they are not scanning for
> intelligence. Our mostly in-bred stupidi
On Dec 12, 2007 9:27 PM, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It also shows a very limited understanding of emotions.
What do you hope to convey by making comments like this?
I often wonder how arrogance and belittling others for their opinions
has ever made a positive contribution to a crea
Mike
In case you're curious I wrote down my theory of
emotions here
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2004/Emotions.htm
(an early version of text that later became a chapter in The
Hidden Pattern)
Among the conclusions my theory of emotions leads to are, as stated there:
*
* AI systems
I don't think you've answered my point - which perhaps wasn't put well
enough.
All you propose, as far as I can see, is to apply *values* to behaviour - to
apply positive and negative figures to behaviours considered beneficial or
detrimental, and thus affect the system's further behaviour - r
--- Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt: I don't believe that the ability to feel pleasure and pain depends on
> > consciousness. That is just a circular definition.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
>
> Richard:It is not circular. Consciousness and pleasure/pai
On 12/12/07, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This would allow a large amount of knowledge to be extracted in a
> distributed manner, keeping track of the quality of information gathered
> from each person as a trust metric, and many facts would be gathered and
> checked for truth.
>
On Dec 13, 2007 12:09 AM, James Ratcliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mainly as a primer ontology / knowledge representation data set for an AGI
> to work with.
> Having a number of facts known without having to be typed in about many
> frames and connections between frames gives an AGI a good
--- Dennis Gorelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bryan,
>
> >> If CyberLover works as described, it will qualify as one of the first
> >> computer programs ever written that is actually passing the Turing
> >> Test.
>
> > I thought the Turing Test involved fooling/convincing judges, not
> > clue
I had been thinking about something along these lines, though not worded as you
have in this message yet.
What I would be most interested in at this point is a knowledge gathering
system somewhere along these lines, where the main AGI could be
centralized/clustered or distributed, but where que
Mainly as a primer ontology / knowledge representation data set for an AGI to
work with.
Having a number of facts known without having to be typed in about many
frames and connections between frames gives an AGI a good booster to start with.
Taken a simple set of common words in a house ch
Matt: I don't believe that the ability to feel pleasure and pain depends on
consciousness. That is just a circular definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
Richard:It is not circular. Consciousness and pleasure/pain are both
subjective
issues. They can resolved togethe
Matt Mahoney wrote:
--- Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Matt Mahoney wrote:
--- Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have to say that this is only one interpretation of what it would mean
for an AGI to experience something, and I for one believe it has no
validity at a
Whether it conceives of a god learning by itself is really a moot point, as it
will be interacting learning and living in a human world, so it WILL be exposed
to all manner of religions and beliefs... What it makes of "faith" and the
thoughts of God at that point will be interesting.
Another di
The following article is relevant to much of the prior P2P discussion on
this list.
http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10202635 .
It is a discussion of many of the ways P2P computing is being used for
scientific research.
Ed Porter
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This list is spon
On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Dennis Gorelik wrote:
> In my taste, testing with clueless judges is more appropriate
> approach. It makes test less biased.
How can they judge when they don't know what they are judging? Surely,
when they hang out for some cyberlovin', they are not scanning for
in
By this standard ELIZA passed Turing test 40 years ago.
On Dec 12, 2007 4:47 AM, Dennis Gorelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://blog.pmarca.com/2007/12/checking-in-on.html
> ===
> If CyberLover works as described, it will qualify as one of the first
> computer programs ever written that is act
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