Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On Dec 28, 2007 4:17 AM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, You are entitled to your reservations about OpenCog, but others, like me, are entitled to our enthusiasms about it. You are correct that OpenCog starts with a certain approach, but I think it is an approach that has a lot

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread YKY (Yan King Yin)
OpenCog is definitely a positive thing to happen in the AGI scene. It's been all vaporware so far. I wonder what would be the level of participation? Also I think it's going to increase the chance of a safe takeoff, by exposing users and developers gradually to AGI. But we also need to have

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-28 Thread John G. Rose
But the traditional gods didn't represent the unknowns, but rather the knowns. A sun god rose every day and set every night in a regular pattern. Other things which also happened in this same regular pattern were adjunct characteristics of the sun go. Or look at some of their names,

Re: [agi] NL interface

2007-12-28 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Dec 28, 2007 12:45 AM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why I want to build an interface that lets users provide grammatical information and the likes. The exact form of the GUI is still unknown -- maybe like a panel with a lot of templates to choose from, or like the

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Richard Loosemore
Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I wish you much luck with your own approach And, I would imagine that if you create a software framework supporting your own approach in a convenient way, my own currently favored AI approaches will not be conveniently explorable within it. That's the nature of

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Dec 28, 2007 5:59 AM, YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenCog is definitely a positive thing to happen in the AGI scene. It's been all vaporware so far. Yes, it's all vaporware so far ;-) On the other hand, the code we hope to release as part of OpenCog actually exists, but

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-28 Thread John G. Rose
On Dec 10, 2007 6:59 AM, John G. Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawkins trivializes religion from his comfortable first world perspective ignoring the way of life of hundreds of millions of people and offers little substitute for what religion does and has done for civilization and

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that would be a serious miusunderstanding of the framework and development environment that I am building. Your system would be just as easy to build as any other. ... considering the proliferation of AGI

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Jean-Paul Van Belle
IMHO more important than working towards contributing clean code would be to *publish the (required) interfaces for the modules as well as give standards for/details on the knowledge representation format*. I am sure that you have those spread over various internal and published documents

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I wish you much luck with your own approach And, I would imagine that if you create a software framework supporting your own approach in a convenient way, my own currently favored AI

Re : [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Bruno Frandemiche
http://gbbopen.org/ - Message d'origine De : Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] À : agi@v2.listbox.com Envoyé le : Vendredi, 28 Décembre 2007, 15h14mn 10s Objet : Re: [agi] OpenCog On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I wish

RE: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-28 Thread John G. Rose
From: Samantha Atkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed. Some form of instaneous information transfer would be required for unlimited growth. If it also turned out that true time travel was possible then things would get really spooky. Alpha and Omega. Mind without end. I think that

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Richard Loosemore
Benjamin Goertzel wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Goertzel wrote: I wish you much luck with your own approach And, I would imagine that if you create a software framework supporting your own approach in a convenient way, my own

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Richard Loosemore
Mike Dougherty wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that would be a serious miusunderstanding of the framework and development environment that I am building. Your system would be just as easy to build as any other. ... considering the

Re: [agi] OpenCog

2007-12-28 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Dec 28, 2007 1:55 PM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Dougherty wrote: On Dec 28, 2007 8:28 AM, Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that would be a serious miusunderstanding of the framework and development environment that I am building. Your system

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-28 Thread Samantha Atkins
On Dec 28, 2007, at 5:34 AM, John G. Rose wrote: Well I shouldn't berate the poor dude... The subject of rationality is pertinent though as the way that humans deal with unknown involves irrationality especially in relation to deitical belief establishment. Before we had all the scientific