Re: [agi] U.S. Plan for 'Thinking Machines' Repository

2008-05-29 Thread Tudor Boloni
i have higher hopes for the project than richard, failing to see the circular causality alluded to... first, human intellect is quickly overwhelmed when trying to build logic structures with complex relationships or even many simple relationships strung together (we max at four or five recursions i

Re: [agi] Compression PLUS a fitness function "motoring" for hypothesized compressibility is intelligence?

2008-05-29 Thread Tudor Boloni
mponent > which > allows it to select among possible future sensory histories in a way that > is > not a part of the standard formulation of compression. This leads to > techniques such as experimental science -- the source of 99% of current > human > knowledge. > > Josh > &

Re: [agi] Compression PLUS a fitness function "motoring" for hypothesized compressibility is intelligence?

2008-05-30 Thread Tudor Boloni
re is a huge overlap in the techniques used in > > > compression > > > and those in intelligence. However, the significant difference is that > > > intelligence, in interacting with the real world, has a motor component > > > which > > > allows it to select am

Re: [agi] Compression PLUS a fitness function "motoring" for hypothesized compressibility is intelligence?

2008-05-31 Thread Tudor Boloni
function "motoring" for > hypothesized compressibility is intelligence? > > I don't really have any argument with this, except possibly quibbles about > the > nuances of the difference between "empirical" and "empiricism" -- and I > don't >

Re: [agi] Simplistic Paradigms Are Not Substitutes For Insight Into Conceptual Complexity

2008-05-31 Thread Tudor Boloni
Jim, We will eventually stumble upon this conceptual complexity, namely a few algorithms that exceed the results that human intelligence uses (the algorithms created through slow evolution and relatively fast learning). we would have a smarter machine that exhibits advanced intelligence in many wa

[agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Tudor Boloni
we invariably generate and then fruitlessly explore (our field is even more exposed to this than most others) until we come up against the limits of our own language, and defeated and fatigued realize we never thought the questions through. i nominate this guy: http://hyperlogic.blogspot.com/ at a

Re: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Tudor Boloni
, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Tudor Boloni wrote: > >> we invariably generate and then fruitlessly explore (our field is even >> more exposed to this than most others) until we come up against the limits >> of our own language, and defeated and fatigue

Re: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Tudor Boloni
I agree that there are many better questions to elucidate the tricks/pitfalls of language. but lets list the biggest time wasters first, and the post showed some real time wasters from various fields that i found valuable to be aware of > It implies it is pointless to ask what the essence of time

Re: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Tudor Boloni
led by W & M as a non-concept! > > > Richard > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >>Tudor Boloni wrote: >> >>we invariably generate and th

Re: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-25 Thread Tudor Boloni
your list is a start to a list of only potentially problematic questions or constructs, since using these words and concepts is actually going to be required in any AGI system... a flag list is a start, but a set of rules to eliminate areas of language construction we do not need to ever worry abou

Re: [agi] who is going to build the wittgenstein-ian AI filter to spot all the intellectual nonsense

2008-11-26 Thread Tudor Boloni
John, an impressive effort and wonderful direction, an analytical psychology of the Good in humans is sorely lacking and the focus on human sickness has had a monopoly for way too long and with untold negative consequences for society at large. assuming these meanings are correct (or will be fine