Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-04 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 7:38 PM, Bob Mottram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well if you take something like the "talking heads" experiment > (http://www.isrl.uiuc.edu/~amag/langev/cited2/steelsthetalkingheadsexperiment.html) > and ask what it would take to scale this up to human-like language > abilities inev

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-04 Thread Bob Mottram
On 04/02/2008, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I haven't read any of Steels stuff lately, either. I'm not sure if any > of the language he's generating is higher order, but I wouldn't be so > quick to dismiss emergent language generation as a trick for just 5 > minute demos. Well if you

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 12:12 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The robotics path to AI is a lot like the evolutionary path to natural > intelligence... > > Create a system that learns to achieve simple sensorimotor goals in > its environment... > then move on to social goals... and language eve

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, > I'd be interested in what you see as the path from SLAM to AGI. > > To me, language generation seems obvious: 1. Make a language and > algorithms for generating stuff in that language. 2. Implement pattern > recognition and abstraction (imo not _that_ hard if you've designed > your language

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Feb 4, 2008 11:27 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is > > integral to mathematics. > > The counterargument is that no one has yet made an AI virtual chimp ... > and nearly all of the human brain is the same as that o

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
> IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is > integral to mathematics. The counterargument is that no one has yet made an AI virtual chimp ... and nearly all of the human brain is the same as that of a chimp ... I think that language-centric approaches are viable, but I

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Joseph Gentle
I doubt that 3D object recognition is integral to 'genuine intelligence'. Theoretically, if we had an AGI we should be able to put it in a simulated 2D world and it would still act intelligently. IMO language is integral to strong AI in the same way that logic is integral to mathematics. If you th

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Stephen Reed
, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 8:03:13 AM Subject: Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org Thanks for the references... I found this paper Kaplan, F., Oudeyer, P-Y., Kubin

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Thanks for the references... I found this paper Kaplan, F., Oudeyer, P-Y., Kubinyi, E. and Miklosi, A. (2002) Robotic clicker training, Robotics and Autonomous Systems, 38(3-4), pp. 197--206. at (near the bottom) http://www.csl.sony.fr/~py/clickerTraining.htm interesting in terms of highlighti

Re: [agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Bob Mottram
I havn't read any of Luc Steels stuff for a long time, but he has been researching the evolution of language using robots or software agents since the early 1990s. This is really a symbol grounding problem where the communication in some way needs to represent things or situations which the agent

[agi] Emergent languages Org

2008-02-03 Thread Mike Tintner
Jeez there's always something new. Anyone know about this (which seems at a glance loosely relevant to Ben's approach) ? http://www.emergent-languages.org/ Overview This site provides an introduction to the research on emergent and evolutionary languages as conducted at the Sony Computer Scie