[agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
Since I assume Ben, as well as a lot of the rest of us, want the AGI movement to receive respectability in the academic and particularly in the funding community, it is probably best that other than brain-science- or AGI-focused discussions of the effects of drugs should not become too common on

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Robin Gane-McCalla
I think psychedelics and the psychedelic experience are much more complicated than most people realize and you only go into a small instance of their complexity. However I'm not sure how useful they will be in trying to build intelligence on a computer. Computers can't take psychedelics,

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Eric Burton
they are like a microscope or a telescope for the mind. Meant to read as for the study of the mind. What I am trying to get at is the value of brain-change to brain design... On 11/24/08, Eric Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a really good avenue of discussion for me. Mind-changing

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Eric Burton
This is a really good avenue of discussion for me. Mind-changing experiences are fully within my conversational comfort zone. I actually think psychedelics are very nearly on topic for the AGI list inasmuch as they are like a microscope or a telescope for the mind. They produce new points of view

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I assume Ben, as well as a lot of the rest of us, want the AGI movement to receive respectability in the academic and particularly in the funding community, it is probably best that other than brain-science- or

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI I think psychedelics and the psychedelic experience are much more complicated than most people realize and you only go into a small instance of their complexity. However I'm not sure how useful

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
by the momentous changes that face us. -Original Message- From: Ed Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 1:30 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: [agi] Entheogins, understainding

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread BillK
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Eric Burton wrote: This is a really good avenue of discussion for me. snip You'all probably should join rec.drugs.psychedelic http://groups.google.com/group/rec.drugs.psychedelic/topics People are still posting there, so the black helicopters haven't taken

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Douglas Solomon
Ed Porter wrote: Since I assume Ben, as well as a lot of the rest of us, want the AGI movement to receive respectability in the academic and particularly in the funding community, it is probably best that other than brain-science- or AGI-focused discussions of the effects of drugs should not

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:16 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Eric Burton wrote: This is a really good avenue of discussion for me. snip You'all probably should join

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
. If you have communicable evidence to the contrary, please enlighten me. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Goertzel
- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:57 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Ed Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I assume Ben, as well as a lot

RE: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI

2008-11-24 Thread Ed Porter
subjectively experience it, it is real in a certain, very important to us, sense. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:59 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] Entheogins, understainding the brain, and AGI Dennett