Re: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Brad Wyble
Yep. Novamente contains particular mechanisms for converting between declarative and procedural knowledge... something that is learned procedurally can become declarative and vice versa. In fact, if all goes according to plan (a big if of course ;) Novamente should *eventually* be much

RE: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi, I disagree that we have a problem converting procedural to declarative for all domains. Sure, you're right. Here as in many other areas, the human brain's performance is highly domain-variant. That said, Novamente would be far better at it than we. With the ability to understand it's

Re: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Brad Wyble
Indeed, making the declarative knowledge derived from rattling off parameters describing procedures useful is a HARD problem... but at least Novamente can get the data, which as you have greed, would seem to give AI systems an in-principle advantage over humans in this area... It's hard

RE: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yes, getting this data is what the entire field of neurophys is about. Being able to extract it without using surgery, electrodes, amplifiers, and gajillions of manhours would be outstanding. A lack of data is the primary thing holding neuroscience back and to a large degree, the depth of

Re: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Brad Wyble
That was exactly my impression when I last looked seriously into neuroscience (1995-96). I wanted to understand cognitive dynamics, and I hoped that tech like PET and fMRI would do the trick. But nothing existing giving the combination of temporal and spatial acuity that you'd need to

Re: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Brad Wyble
I actually have a big MEG datafile on my hard drive, which I haven't gotten around to playing with. It consists of about 120 time series, each with about 100,000 points in it. It represents the magnetic field of someone's brain, measured through 120 sensors on their skull, while they

RE: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
We need one of the technologies to evolve to the point where it delivers decent spatial AND temporal resolution... That's exactly what I meant actually: combined FMRI and MEG within the same experiment. You get data from each simultaneously and combine them afterwards, using the

Re: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-26 Thread Brad Wyble
Just to pick a point, Eliezer defines Seed AI as Artificial Intelligence designed for self-understanding, self-modification, and recursive self-enhancement. I do not agree with you that pure Seed AI is a know-nothing baby. I was perhaps a bit extreme in my word choice, but I do not believe

RE: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-26 Thread Stephen Reed
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Ben Goertzel wrote: Cyc seems moderately strong on declarative knowledge (though I think it misses most of the fine-grained declarative knowledge that helps us cope with the real world... it focuses on relatively abstract levels of declarative knowledge...) Agreed on the

RE: [agi] seed AI vs Cyc, where does Novamente fall?

2003-02-25 Thread Ben Goertzel
Well, in principle, Novamente is intended to be able to learn from zippo -- i.e. NO explicitly encoded knowledge. However, the architecture does support the loading-in of prefab knowledge. Whether, and in what ways, it is possible to introduce prefab knowledge into a learning AGI system, without