Re: DIS: On partnerships

2007-06-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: root wrote: This seems to indicate that a partnership's obligations are only enforceable to the extent that the partnership's members desire them to be enforced. Any thoughts? There are two distinct sets of obligations here. The first are the set of obligations that the

Re: DIS: proposal 4939 crisis

2007-06-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: The only difference was the spurious line break in Rule 2139, right? Line break in the middle of a word, yes. I just went back and checked my local message store; neither the submission nor the purported distribution contained the spurious line break,

Re: DIS: Proto-judgments of CFJs 1659 and 1660

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: Thus, it is clear to me that the phrase by announcement must be interpreted according to its Rule 478 definition, regardless of any qualification or decoration. I think this is in error. Even if it is forbidden to locally redefine by announcement (which I will accept is

DIS: Re: BUS: proposals

2007-06-09 Thread Roger Hicks
proposal: enforce agreements AI: 1 {{{ Amend rule 1742 by deleting the sentence If a Civil CFJ is called by anyone who is not party to that agreement, then it lacks standing and shall be dismissed. }}} -zefram Does this mean that Agora can judge agreements that aren't made

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposals

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: Does this mean that Agora can judge agreements that aren't made under Agoran law? ie. my Bob's Quality Cards agreement? That depends entirely on the interpretation of the first paragraph of R1742. -zefram

DIS: proto: define registration

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: define registration AI: 1 {{{ Amend rule 869 by replacing the text: A person who is not currently registered as a player and is not prohibited from registering is permitted to register. A person registers or deregisters by announcement. Whenever a

DIS: Re: BUS: proposals

2007-06-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: Amend rule 1742 by deleting the sentence If a Civil CFJ is called by anyone who is not party to that agreement, then it lacks standing and shall be dismissed. Yet another terrible idea. What right does Agora have to stick its nose in an agreement when all its

Re: DIS: Proto-judgments of CFJs 1659 and 1660

2007-06-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/9/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: Thus, it is clear to me that the phrase by announcement must be interpreted according to its Rule 478 definition, regardless of any qualification or decoration. I think this is in error. Even if it is forbidden to locally redefine by

Re: DIS: On partnerships

2007-06-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/8/07, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example of the two tiers: Zefram and root form a partnership, it registers as a player, and the partnership fails to perform some required action. Anyone may bring suit against the partnership, and the partnership as a whole is dinged. But

DIS: proto: no compulsion

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
Thought I ought to take a look at slimming the judicial system. Here's the first snip of the pruning shears; there's more to come. proto-proposal: no compulsion AI: 1 {{{ Repeal rules 1509 and 1830. [Orders to Compel don't actually achieve anything: they impose an obligation that the target

DIS: proto: simplify Judicial Orders

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: simplify Judicial Orders AI: 1 {{{ Repeal rule 1803. Amend rule 1794 by appending to item (c) the sentence A Judicial Oredr is executed by announcement.. [We don't need the complex execution mechanism: announcement will do fine. The second paragraph of rule 1803 is vacuous, as

DIS: proto: execution of timing orders

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: execution of timing orders AI: 1 {{{ Amend rule 1794 by replacing executed by any person with executed by any person by announcement. [The mechanism to execute timing orders was not specified.] }}} -zefram

DIS: proto: report Agoran Contracts

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: report Agoran Contracts AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2109 by replacing the paragraph: The CotC is required to keep track of all Agoran Contracts. with: The CotC's monthly report includes all Agoran Contracts. [Our lone Agoran Contract is presently invisible.] }}}

DIS: proto: simplify legislative orders

2007-06-09 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: simplify legislative orders AI: 1 {{{ Repeal rule 1891. [Sections (a) and (b) are implicit in the definition of legislative orders in R1794. Section (c) just seems pointless.] }}} -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: The Hanging Judge

2007-06-09 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/9/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby cause the Hanging Judge to be deregistered, provided that this does not cause me to cease to be a player. What grants you the power to deregister the Hanging Judge? -- C. Maud Image (Michael Slone) Agora: a self-supporting cycle of evil.

Re: DIS: proto: CFJ by announcement

2007-06-09 Thread Ed Murphy
quazie wrote: Zefram wrote: proto-proposal: CFJ by announcement AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 991 by replacing by submitting a Call for Judgement (CFJ) to the Clerk of the Courts with by publishing a Call for Judgement (CFJ). Amend rule 897 by deleting the paragraph that begins The Clerk of the

Re: DIS: proto: CFJ by announcement

2007-06-09 Thread quazie
Ed Murphy wrote: quazie wrote: Zefram wrote: proto-proposal: CFJ by announcement AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 991 by replacing by submitting a Call for Judgement (CFJ) to the Clerk of the Courts with by publishing a Call for Judgement (CFJ). Amend rule 897 by deleting the paragraph that begins The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Hanging Judge

2007-06-09 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/9/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final paragraph of rule 869. The Hanging Judge is clearly no longer a person, according to recent jurisprudence and rule 2145. My copy of the ruleset only has effects of proposals up to 4975. Would you mind quoting the text you have in mind? --

Re: DIS: proto: CFJ by announcement

2007-06-09 Thread Taral
On 6/9/07, Michael Slone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would carry a little more weight if the CotC were actually performing that duty. Anyway, surely the easiest way to locate CFJs is the database? The database is a pain to use. In particular,