DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1719: result FALSE

2007-08-16 Thread Peekee
I support this proposal (in that I want to become a player again). I submit the following proposal: make Peekee a player AI=1 Upon the adoption of this proposal, the following actions occur in order: 1. Rule 869 is amended to remove the sentence E CANNOT register within thirty days after doing

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1719: assign Zefram

2007-08-16 Thread Peekee
Prize for being registered for the shortest amount of time goes to... Quoting Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Peekee thereby deregistered emself, so I judge FALSE. -- Peekee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1719: result FALSE

2007-08-16 Thread Zefram
Peekee wrote: I support this proposal (in that I want to become a player again). You made your bed, you must lie in it. If comex hadn't deregistered you, I was pondering doing so. I'd have done it in conditional form so that I didn't risk deregistering myself. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Register

2007-08-16 Thread Peekee
Hmmm I was going to cfj but I cant think of an argument that does not use avatars in some form. Quoting Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Peekee wrote: I register as a player. No you don't. Aren't you lucky R2145 doesn't apply to non-players. -zefram -- Peekee

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
I don't understand why we don't just eliminate the phrase the vote collector, and from R1728(d). Because it's non-intuitive, and it adds verbosity when announcing the action. Dependent actions are meant to be light-weight, and there should be no reason to have to support your own action.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
The only caveat is that you'll have to increase all the support (and objection?) indices by one. Only the support index, I think, and only for dependent actions. R2124(a): is N -- is N+1.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only caveat is that you'll have to increase all the support (and objection?) indices by one. Only the support index, I think, and only for dependent actions. R2124(a): is N -- is N+1. Support indices only exist for dependent actions anyway.

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Zefram
Pavitra wrote: There are these things sitting around that want to be holidays, and I think they should get their formal recognition. We don't use holidays for celebratory purposes. Agora's birthday used to be a holiday, until it was realised that this was only an inconvenience. -zefram

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
We don't use holidays for celebratory purposes. Agora's birthday used to be a holiday, until it was realised that this was only an inconvenience. Well, we ought to do *something*... How about: (proto) Birthday Presents AI=2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by adding the following item to VCs

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we ought to do *something*... How about: (proto) Birthday Presents AI=2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by adding the following item to VCs may be spent as follows etc.: f) During Agora's Birthday, a player may spend one

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the way it works right now, because that's not what you would intuitively expect. If I see with 3 supporters, then I expect that means there are 3 additional people backing up the original proposer. That is in fact how it works right now,

Re: DIS: Abstract: Second-class registration

2007-08-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Aug 15, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: On 8/15/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and the US is regularly castigated for this by human rights groups. It's undemocratic. The right to vote is a privilege granted to those who obey the law, and I think it would be perfectly fine

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Aug 16, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: On 8/16/07, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we ought to do *something*... How about: (proto) Birthday Presents AI=2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by adding the following item to VCs may be spent as follows etc.: f) During

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On 8/16/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: I'm open to suggestions on an appropriate color. Mauve is my current choice. I suggest sticking to the primary colours, because they have well-known letter abbreviations. So far we're not using any of the subtractive

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
I'm open to suggestions on an appropriate color. Mauve is my current choice. I suggest sticking to the primary colours, because they have well-known letter abbreviations. So far we're not using any of the subtractive primaries (C, M, Y) or the endpoints of the greyscale (K, W). I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI fix

2007-08-16 Thread Levi Stephen
Pavitra wrote: 4. CAN X ONLY IF Y: Equivalent to CANNOT X UNLESS Y. Similar for (MUST, MAY, SHALL, SHOULD) X ONLY IF Y. [[[ This is consistent with capatilizing ONLY IF. ]]] 'ONLY IF' is defined explicitly as a special phrase, and capitalized to disambiguate whether a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI fix

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
4. CAN X ONLY IF Y: Equivalent to CANNOT X UNLESS Y. Similar for (MUST, MAY, SHALL, SHOULD) X ONLY IF Y. I'm not sure I follow this. I see this as the definition of ONLY IF. So, ONLY IF is only defined in the context of CAN X ONLY IF Y. So, the intent here is to also make this the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Pavitra
3) While we're at it, I think we should forbid inactive players from performing dependent actions in general. None whatsoever. I agree with 3) as well. But it's just this kind of loophole that could potentially lead to a magnificent scam. But it's equally possible someone could pull a

Re: DIS: Proto: recognize holidays

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Specific information regarding Gamma Clearance is restricted to citizens of Gamma Clearance.) That information is restricted to citizens of Gamma Clearance. Commie traitor. *ZAP ZAP*

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: judicial status

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
1) Amend R955(d)(3) to make majority index actions require the ratio be greater than or equal to the index if the actor is an (active) first-class player; strictly greater otherwise. I prefer amending R1728(d) so that the vote collector is generally allowed to vote on actions with Agoran

DIS: Re: BUS: Two protos

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (a) With N Supporters. For this method, the support index is N, and the tally of votes need only include a number of SUPPORT votes sufficient to approve the action. With Support is synonymous with With 1

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two protos

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 8/16/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (a) With N Supporters. For this method, the support index is N, and the tally of votes need only include a number of SUPPORT votes sufficient to approve the action. With Support is synonymous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two protos

2007-08-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/16/07, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would this work for actions that are with N supporters and without M objections? We haven't got any of those at the moment. If we added one, then these could be reworded as the tally of votes MUST include x, with the R208 amendment