DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Jan 23, 2008 6:04 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proposal: Generalize Game Actions (AI=3) > > Create a new Rule, at Power=4, titled "Dictator", with the text: > comex CAN and may at any time by announcement make any explicit > change whatsoever to the gamestate, including but

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 9:19 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I submit the following Proposal, entitled "Smaller Contracts" and set > its AI to 1.5: > {{ > In Rule 1742, replace the text > Any group of two or more persons may make an agreement among > themselves with the intention t

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 9:46 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this still leaves small contracts in a bad state under the rules, > given that amending, terminating and changing the parties (except by adding > new parties (?(*))) to contracts with <= 1 parties basically can't happen, >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 24 January 2008 17:20:44 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 9:46 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think this still leaves small contracts in a bad state under the rules, > > given that amending, terminating and changing the parties (except by > > adding new parties (?(

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 10:55 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CFJ 1796 says that "[p]recedent holds that agreement is not regulated and that > contracts are entered into by agreement" which thus allowed comex to enter > into an agreement that was apparently already a contract and apparently

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 11:46 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Enact a new rule titled "Defining Contract Changes", with Power 1.5: > > A Contract Change can be one or more of any of the following: > > (a) a person who intends to be bound by a contract becoming a party > to th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:04:04 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 11:46 AM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Enact a new rule titled "Defining Contract Changes", with Power 1.5: > > > > A Contract Change can be one or more of any of the following: > > > > (a) a person who inte

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Smaller Contracts

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 3:56 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since that would not (directly) change the parties or the text of the elephant > contract, I don't intend to regulate it through this proposal (and I defined > Contract Change and capitalized it to avoid covering "other" changes of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > Create a new Rule, at Power=4, titled "Spectator", with the text: > Any person CAN and may at any time by observing this rule make > any change whatsoever to the gamestate, including but not > limited to enacting, repealing, or amending a rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Levi Stephen
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: Create a new Rule, at Power=4, titled "Spectator", with the text: Any person CAN and may at any time by observing this rule make any change whatsoever to the gamestate, including but not limited to enacting, repealing, or am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 4:44 PM, Levi Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a hole in that the inquiry case may (esp., considering the > appeals process) take longer than a week to resolve? Is the rule > explicit enough about the document not self-ratifying if an inquiry case > is in progress? It

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Levi wrote: The recent voting results and self-ratification of those results I think concluded that voting results self ratify, even if not published by the assessor. Any message claiming to resolve an Agoran decision self-ratifies (unless challenged in time). This is intentional, to paper o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Ian Kelly wrote: Proposal: Indeterminize Game Actions (AI=3) Create a new Rule, at Power=4, titled "Spectator", with the text: Any person CAN and may at any time by observing this rule make any change whatsoever to the gamestate, including but not

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:04:47 comex wrote: > Proposal: Generalize Game Actions (AI=3) > > Create a new Rule, at Power=4, titled "Dictator", with the text: > comex CAN and may at any time by announcement make any explicit > change whatsoever to the gamestate, including but not li

DIS: Re: Canada?

2008-01-24 Thread Ben Caplan
If CFJ1879 returns TRUE, I suggest contacting the Hon. Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxime Bernier at [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. Pavitra

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 9:57 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1881 > > == CFJ 1881 == > > rule 2029 requires Agorans to always Dance a Powerful Dance. > > =

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:28:56 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:25 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your proposed rule is power 4. R101 is power 3. So, your proposed rule > > takes precedence over R101. > > Only by virtue of R1482, which R101 would take precedence over. R

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Ed Murphy
pikhq wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:05:13 comex wrote: On Jan 24, 2008 9:41 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "This rule takes precedence over all other rules." is needlessly redundant; the only other Power 4 rule is the Fountain. CFJs have determined that you need not ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:32 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By making it non-binding, one makes it so that any party may leave the > contract. ;p Leaving contracts is regulated, and can only be done as specified by the Rules-- regardless of whether the contract is binding.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:33:51 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 9:57 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1881 > > > > == CFJ 1881 == > > > > rule 2029 requires Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 9:41 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "This rule takes precedence over all other rules." is needlessly redundant; > the only other Power 4 rule is the Fountain. CFJs have determined that you > need not hail Eris, so you're good. ;) > > Not necessarily. Let's say I

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 9:49 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The AFO leaves this agreement (not necessarily a contract (a contract must be > binding, the above is not)). It can't without my consent (not given).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 8:06 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 9:49 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The AFO leaves this agreement (not necessarily a contract (a contract must > > be > > binding, the above is not)). > > It can't without my consent (not given). As p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:05:13 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 9:41 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "This rule takes precedence over all other rules." is needlessly > > redundant; the only other Power 4 rule is the Fountain. CFJs have > > determined that you need not hail E

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:36:08 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:32 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > By making it non-binding, one makes it so that any party may leave the > > contract. ;p > > Leaving contracts is regulated, and can only be done as specified by > the Rules-

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread Iammars
On Jan 24, 2008 10:37 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In honor of this brilliant proto-judgement, I (as an unregulated action), > give > you two Bead Necklaces. > I recommend trading them with other, more barbaric, Nomics, which consider > such things a rarity. > > I congratulate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:39 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You may as well have said: > 1. Any party may leave this contract by announcement. Binding: 3. Imposing or commanding adherence to a commitment, an obligation, or a duty: binding arbitration; a binding agreement. The agreeme

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:37 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In honor of this brilliant proto-judgement, I (as an unregulated action), > give > > you two Bead Necklaces. > > I recommend trading them with other, more barbari

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:45:08 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:39 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You may as well have said: > > 1. Any party may leave this contract by announcement. > > Binding: > 3. Imposing or commanding adherence to a commitment, an obligation, > or

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 8:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This, then, would be any Oligarch who is not an officeholder. The > Oligarchy was a paid position, something which we don't have an exact > equivalent or namesake of. Not always. More generally, an Oligarch was a player empowered to vot

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread Iammars
On Jan 24, 2008 10:46 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:42 PM, Iammars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2008 10:37 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In honor of this brilliant proto-judgement, I (as an unregulated > action), > > give > > > you t

DIS: Re: BUS: Watcher

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 8:47 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I request to be registered as a "watcher". > If the above causes me to be registered as a player, then I switch my > posture to Leaning. R869 is pretty clear on the definition of "to be registered", so I'm interpreting this as a succ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Watcher

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:51:39 Ian Kelly wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 8:47 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I request to be registered as a "watcher". > > If the above causes me to be registered as a player, then I switch my > > posture to Leaning. > > R869 is pretty clear on the def

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1881 assigned to comex

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:48 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Not always. More generally, an Oligarch was a player empowered to > vote on ordinary proposals. > Not really. In fact, we have in the past defined Senators and > Oligarchs simultaneously, so they're pretty clearly separate things. You're

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Watcher

2008-01-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 24, 2008 8:53 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As am I. I'm guessing that Ben Caplan here wants to be known as 'watcher'. Perhaps, but e signed as Pavitra, so that's how I'm recording em. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:25 PM, Josiah Worcester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your proposed rule is power 4. R101 is power 3. So, your proposed rule takes > precedence over R101. Only by virtue of R1482, which R101 would take precedence over.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread Josiah Worcester
On Thursday 24 January 2008 20:28:10 comex wrote: > On Jan 24, 2008 10:10 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As pikhq notes, contracts are binding. So one might interpret your > > change to the contract to make it non-binding as an act of > > dissolution. > > Nonsense. They merely have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract

2008-01-24 Thread comex
On Jan 24, 2008 10:10 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As pikhq notes, contracts are binding. So one might interpret your > change to the contract to make it non-binding as an act of > dissolution. Nonsense. They merely have to be made "with the intention that [they] be binding". There

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-01-24 Thread Iammars
On Jan 24, 2008 11:51 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judicial case ID numbers (Rule 2161) > > Highest orderly: 1880 > Disorderly: > This should probably be 1882. -- -Iammars www.jmcteague.com

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1882 assigned to woggle

2008-01-24 Thread Charles Reiss
On Friday 25 January 2008 04:02:07 Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1882 > > == CFJ 1882 == > > watcher is a Player > >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-01-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Iammars wrote: Judicial case ID numbers (Rule 2161) Highest orderly: 1880 Disorderly: This should probably be 1882. Ah yes, sorry. I'll move that up top so it's less likely to be overlooked in future.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1882 assigned to woggle

2008-01-24 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: There is some evidence that Pravita did not intend to become a player. This might be seen to create a R101 issue, since per R2171, the registration process is to preserve player's rights as if entering the rules were a binding agreement. Problematically, every relevant rule here