DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend, with majority Comrade consent, to cause the PBA to register. > I intend, with majority Comrade consent, to cause the PBA to become a Farmer. ??? -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any f

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CoE: ais523 CANNOT act on behalf of the Mad Scientist to deputize for > the IADoP resolve this Agoran Decision, because the IADoP was not > required to resolve this decision at the time the deputization was > attempted. Th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you omitted the last part of that clause which states "where X > evaluates to FOR or AGAINST." Since I wasn't casting votes of FOR or > AGAINST, I didn't need to cast them as Llama votes. No, the entire section is: On an Ag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 14:18, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 21:58, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> (Also, psst: you're supposed to be voting LLAMA votes only, not SELL. >>> Post a sell tick

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On 14 Oct 2008, at 00:38, Ian Kelly wrote: I disagree; there's no reason that the deposit should fail just because I misstated the exchange rate. I just deposited and withdrew the same crop 10 times in a row for a net of 0 coins. -root I don't want people to make booboos with their exchange

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2008, at 00:04, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> Oops, I misread paragraph 20. Ignore me. >> >> -root > > > Even your first deposit fails - it'd be for 9 coins. > > Still, welcome Comrade! I disagree; there's no reason t

DIS: Re: BUS: [PBA] Coinkeepor's report

On 14 Oct 2008, at 00:24, Elliott Hird wrote: RECENT EVENTS -- - 2008-10-13 - The People's Bank of Agora is formed. -- - Should read: RECE

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On 14 Oct 2008, at 00:04, Ian Kelly wrote: Oops, I misread paragraph 20. Ignore me. -root Even your first deposit fails - it'd be for 9 coins. Still, welcome Comrade! -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I deposit a 7 crop for 10 coins. > > Succeeds. Woops, fails. Looks like a net nothing. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any furt

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Monday 13 October 2008 06:00:30 pm Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > > 20. An Comrade can transfer one instance of an Eligible Currency > > to the PBA by > > announcement. Upon doing so the target currency's exchange rate > > goes down by 1, > > then a num

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I join this contract. Welcome, Comrade! -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I deposit a 7 crop for 10 coins. Succeeds. > I transfer 9 coins to the PBA to withdraw a 7 crop. Fails. Withdrawing 7 crops at this point takes 10 coins. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any furt

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I deposit a 7 crop for 10 coins. > I transfer 9 coins to the PBA to withdraw a 7 crop. > I deposit a 7 crop for 10 coins. > I transfer 9 coins to the PBA to withdraw a 7 crop. > I deposit a 7 crop for 10 coins. > I transfer 9 c

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No vote: > Taral ("SELL" vote meaningless due to not being a Vote Market party) That's really stretching. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Not In Vain

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:29 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I file an equity case against UNDEAD, specifying the fact that a > non-party has guessed some of its nature as an eventuality not forseen > by the contract. As evidence, I conjecture that the set of parties is > {Goethe, Murphy, c

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Not In Vain

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:29 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With 2 support, I intend to file a criminal case against Goethe for > violating rule 2173 by neither informing the Notary of the text and set > of parties of UNDEAD, nor understanding and carefully weighing the full > implications

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Fix elections

ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 00:32 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Proto-Proposal: Fix elections >> (AI = 3, please) > Although this looks very like a proposal (it's in the format for a > proposal and sent to a-b), I'm treating it as not a proposal due to the > "Proto-" you mentioned in it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 12:26 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Bayes wrote: > > > Bayes votes as follows: > > Can these be sorted by proposal number, please? Ditto to the PNP. Both Wooble and I have proposed a PerlNomic proposal to fix the situation; hopefully they'll both pass and we'll be doubly-sure

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Fix elections

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 00:32 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Fix elections > (AI = 3, please) Although this looks very like a proposal (it's in the format for a proposal and sent to a-b), I'm treating it as not a proposal due to the "Proto-" you mentioned in it. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 21:58, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (Also, psst: you're supposed to be voting LLAMA votes only, not SELL. >> Post a sell ticket and vote LLAMA (endorse filler), I guess.) > > The way the contrac

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 12:26 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Bayes wrote: >> >>> Bayes votes as follows: >> Can these be sorted by proposal number, please? Ditto to the PNP. > > Well, the PNP often votes on multiple distributions in one message, and > often votes on one distribution ov

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5779-5793

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5786 O 1 1.0 Murphy Privatize the Welcoming Committee > FORx3, but does this fail due to R101? (You're effectively forcing the > Welcoming Committee's existing parties to agree to a radical amendment > of the contrac

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Monday 13 October 2008 02:35:06 pm ais523 wrote: > Wooble wrote: > > This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the > > holder of the Mad Scientist office. The vote collector is the > > IADoP, and the eligible voters are the active players. > > This looks to me very like an at

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Bayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bayes votes as follows: I apologize for the triple vote, by the way; it was a bug.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 13:29 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 15:11 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Mad Scient

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5779-5793

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5786 O 1 1.0 Murphy Privatize the Welcoming Committee > FORx3, but does this fail due to R101? (You're effectively forcing the > Welcoming Committee's existing parties to agree to a radical amendment > of the contrac

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 13:29 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 15:11 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > >> This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose > >> the holder of the Mad Scientist office. > > Ho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 12:26 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Bayes wrote: > > > Bayes votes as follows: > > Can these be sorted by proposal number, please? Ditto to the PNP. Well, the PNP often votes on multiple distributions in one message, and often votes on one distribution over the course of more

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 15:11 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose >> the holder of the Mad Scientist office. > How? You aren't its vote collector. (Nobody is, according to rul

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

Bayes wrote: > Bayes votes as follows: Can these be sorted by proposal number, please? Ditto to the PNP.

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5779-5793

> 5785 D 1 3.1 Murphy Inequality is not ordinary I think this should have been 3.0, but I'm not going to contest it as I doubt it will affect the overall result.

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 15:11 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose > the holder of the Mad Scientist office. How? You aren't its vote collector. (Nobody is, according to rule 2154.) -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farewell...?

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 14:07 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Monday 13 October 2008 01:59:43 pm ais523 wrote: > > I won't attach the message in question as evidence, just in case I > > end up getting Left in a Huff too; instead, I submit the following > > URL as evidence: > >

Re: DIS: Russian Roulette - obligations.txt

On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > > ehird did, in fact, illegally reveal it to me. (E was simultaneously > > 1) required to reveal it to the AFO > > 2) prohibited from revealing it to the AFO > > 3) prohibited from revealing it to me

DIS: Re: BUS: Incorporate the Bank

My suggestions: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * A change to the exchange rate for a currency > * Any action the RBOA can perform as a person Replace the second one with "sending a message on behalf of the RBOA", as, for one, players technically need no

DIS: Re: BUS: Farewell...?

On Monday 13 October 2008 01:59:43 pm ais523 wrote: > I won't attach the message in question as evidence, just in case I > end up getting Left in a Huff too; instead, I submit the following > URL as evidence: > 008-October/014528.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

On Monday 13 October 2008 01:44:46 pm ais523 wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:36 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > > I intend, without 3 Objections, to set each of the following > > exchange rates: > > 8 crops55 > > Note that it's mostly me who's responsible for the bank's glut of 8 > Crops; havi

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 15:36 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > I intend, without 3 Objections, to set each of the following exchange > rates: > 8 crops55 Note that it's mostly me who's responsible for the bank's glut of 8 Crops; having two 8 Ranches, I've been generating them fast enough that they

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Monday 13 October 2008 01:01:44 pm comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > R2136 used to include the requirement that a contest be "fair to > > all contestants" in order to be a contest > > Among the problems with that was that a contest which ce

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't Without 3 Objections, in effect, a pragmatic requirement to be > fair? Yes, that was the reasoning behind the current mechanism. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5779-5793

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 14:11 -0400, comex wrote: > > 5789 D 1 2.0 Murphy Return of truthfulness > FOR if comex's Corporation has at least one mackerel; otherwise AGAINST Would you care to post the corporation's mackerel holdings to the PF? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > R2136 used to include the requirement that a contest be "fair to all > contestants" in order to be a contest Among the problems with that was that a contest which ceased to be fair automatically ceased to be a contest, perhaps

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Three players create a contract that allows any of its parties to flip >> its contestmaster by announcement. They take turns as contestmaster from >> week to w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Monday 13 October 2008 12:27:27 pm Taral wrote: > Isn't it a rule that anyone can join a contest and that contest > must award points "fairly"? I don't think so. There might be a proposal coming up to that effect.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Request to join.

On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 22:45 -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > On Oct 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, 0x44 wrote: > > > I wish to register as a player of Agora with the name 0x44. > > > IF 0x44 is a player: Just for the record: I checked the rules. It worked. Yay for pragmatic registration rules! -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Three players create a contract that allows any of its parties to flip > its contestmaster by announcement. They take turns as contestmaster from > week to week: player A awards 15 points to player B, then flips the > contestmast

DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 12:05 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > I retract that proposal, and submit the following AI=1, II=1, > entitled "Creative contest switching v.2": This is an incredibly bad idea. Goethe deregistered over root's equity contest scam (which I was involved in); this would make the scam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 12:04 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Monday 13 October 2008 11:50:00 am ais523 wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 12:05 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > > > I retract that proposal, and submit the following AI=1, II=1, > > > entitled "Creative contest switching v.2": > > > > This is an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alternate contestmaster-switching mechanisms

On Monday 13 October 2008 11:50:00 am ais523 wrote: > On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 12:05 -0500, Ben Caplan wrote: > > I retract that proposal, and submit the following AI=1, II=1, > > entitled "Creative contest switching v.2": > > This is an incredibly bad idea. Goethe deregistered over root's > equity co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Monday 13 October 2008 11:59:46 am ais523 wrote: > On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 09:36 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > > > 5777 O 1 1.0 ais523 Export > > > > AGAINST x 5 ("Export Bootstraping" [sic] should only trigger if > > the B proposal has the same text as the proposal that created > > "EB")

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5765-5778

On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 09:36 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > > 5777 O 1 1.0 ais523 Export > AGAINST x 5 ("Export Bootstraping" [sic] should only trigger if the B > proposal has the same text as the proposal that created "EB") If you like the idea, could you reconsider that? The way proposals

DIS: Re: BUS: Incorporate the Bank

On Monday 13 October 2008 11:17:45 am Roger Hicks wrote: > Without three objections I intend to amend the RBOA agreement as > follows: { > Replace section 2 with: > {{ > Any person who owns a non-zero number of Chits may become party to > this agreement by announcement. Parties to this agreement ar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank notes

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:54, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2008 12:05:37 am Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 17:57, Ben Caplan wrote: >> > I withdraw 3 VP for 268 chits. >> >> 281 chits, I think, and you only have 115, so I'm considering this >> to fail

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 22:02, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 05 October 2008 09:56:31 pm Roger Hicks wrote: >> FARMER 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV >> Pavitra10 9 816 9 13 2 > > Since then, I've harvested using 2 of these 1 crops. > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

On Monday 13 October 2008 08:10:48 am Benjamin Schultz wrote: > 4. Caste changes will avoid promoting / demoting a player who paid > for eir own demotion / promotion respectively within the four weeks > prior to the caste change, unless the Rules require this change and > there are no other option

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 13 Oct 2008, at 14:15, Benjamin Schultz wrote: 5765 O 1 1.0 Wooble 1 x FOR, 1 x AGAINST Well, it's readable now. :P (I'm sure your mailer has a "reply" button, though, that'd also handle quoting for you...) My rea

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes

On 13 Oct 2008, at 14:15, Benjamin Schultz wrote: 5765 O 1 1.0 Wooble 1 x FOR, 1 x AGAINST Well, it's readable now. :P (I'm sure your mailer has a "reply" button, though, that'd also handle quoting for you...) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

Here's a possible clarification to the policy. Change these parts of the pledge: 4. Caste changes will as best as possible avoid promoting / demoting a player who paid for eir own demotion / promotion respectively within the four weeks prior to the caste change. 5. Caste changes will as be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: FWIW, the Speaker can make promotions now (Proposal 5696). -Goethe And I was mildly curious why the RH Speaker did not exercise eir option. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr