DIS: Re: BUS: Here we go again

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 18:35, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2008 05:32:11 pm Ed Murphy wrote: If I have less than two 1 crops, then I

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA/RBOA

2008-10-21 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create the following crops in Taral's possession: 1, 6, 4, 0, 4, 4, 0, 8, 6 Your RNG hates me. :P -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread warrigal
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 13:26, The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 5794 O 1 1.0 Murphy Return of the Repeal-o-Matic 5795 O 1 1.0 Murphy Stop

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak I transfer one prop from BobTHJ to Barack Obama.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:39, Roger Hicks wrote: I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak My condolences. and I come back to this. I'm tempted to step back and let someone else sort this out (since socialism is ruling the day?)I not only have to make sense of the RBOA, but the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:35, Ed Murphy wrote: tl;dr. Does this boil down to exchange rates allow me to move assets around with the net effect of spending X to gain X+Y, with the RBoA correspondingly losing Y? It boils down to ding dong, the RBoA is dead!. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA, RBoA, PBA

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 07:08, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 13:51, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I PBA-deposit a 5 crop and a Points Voucher (for ^34). I PBA-withdraw a 6 crop and a 0 crop (spending ^27). I mill 5/6=X and 5/6=X using my two Division Mills. I mill 4*8=X and 4*8=X

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread comex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:35, Ed Murphy wrote: tl;dr. Does this boil down to exchange rates allow me to move assets around with the net effect of spending X to gain X+Y, with the RBoA correspondingly losing Y? It boils down to ding dong, the RBoA is dead!. No, rather

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA Calculations

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 01:00, Pavitra wrote: If the PBA has 6 X Crops, I PBA-withdraw an X Crop for ^18. Sorry bud, you have no coins. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 12:59, comex wrote: No, rather the former. The RBoA still has lots of Coins, so chits have only a slightly depreciated value. The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 04:51, warrigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 13:26, The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 5794 O 1 1.0 Murphy

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:55, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 05:39, Roger Hicks wrote: I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak My condolences. C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent reasoning. Liberalism springs from a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Roger Hicks wrote: Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinking So does assuming, and so do generalizations. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you guys get this? I got neither a sorry, you're not subscribed nor an echo. If the below message was not sent successfully, I send it now. I'll see about subscribing that address to the lists. On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:42

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you guys get this? I got neither a sorry, you're not subscribed nor an echo. If the below message was not sent successfully, I send it now. I'll see about

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:39, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 22:10, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you guys get this? I got neither a sorry, you're not subscribed nor an echo. If the below

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: Oops...and finally, through your PBA deposit net you 68 coins (instead of 60) I am only considering 60 coins to be deposited in the RBOA. BobTHJ Actually, the whole thing was ineffective, due to incorrectly specified rates. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:34, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I RBOA-withdraw 10 0 crops. [-385 chits, I believe.] this only costs 280 chits. BobTHJ

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:37, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:27, Roger Hicks wrote: Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinking So does assuming, and so do generalizations. Fair enoughtouche. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:46, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 15:42, Roger Hicks wrote: Oops...and finally, through your PBA deposit net you 68 coins (instead of 60) I am only considering 60 coins to be deposited in the RBOA. BobTHJ Actually, the whole thing was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and there's no reason they shouldn't.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 16:13, comex wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and there's no reason they

DIS: Re: BUS: Note exchange and PBA stuff

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:02, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I join the Note Exchange. I fill the open Buy Ticket to create Note Markers. (How many do I have to create?). Fails as already discussed. I create a Note Marker/Note Credit pair of each of the following pitches: C#, D, D#,

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
From the perspective of the RBOA / AAA / Vote Market (using the info already gathered from the PBA): On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I withdraw two 0 crops from the PBA. I deposit two 0 crops in the RBoA. OK, +50 chits I deposit all my 37 Coins in the RBoA

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 09:51, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the perspective of the RBOA / AAA / Vote Market (using the info already gathered from the PBA): On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I withdraw two 0 crops from the PBA. I deposit two 0

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I withdraw five 1 crops from the RBoA. I deposit five 1 crops in the PBA. OK, -330 chits. You have 460 chits remaining. This gives me 45 Coins, which I deposit in the RBoA for 450 Chits. 45 coins deposited for 450 chits. You

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent reasoning. Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinkingyou don't have to believe it just because they told you it was true. Funny, I would

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Pavitra
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:00 am Ian Kelly wrote: I especially don't want to start a political discussion within these hallowed fora, so this will be my only post on the subject. Agreed. Between the Illuminati, UNDEAD, and the People's Bank of Agora, we clearly don't have time for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:13 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is, however, that all the RBoA is really useful for now is switching to coins. ...until people start depositing more assets in the RBoA, and

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:33, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C'mon nowanyone who can play in Agora is capable of independent reasoning. Liberalism springs from a failure of rational thinkingyou don't have to

DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled Indictment Reform. In Rule 1504, Criminal Cases: remove , with 2 Support, from the first paragraph. at the end of the list of valid judgements for the question on culpability, add: * FRIVOLOUS, appropriate if the initiator

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled Indictment Reform. In Rule 1504, Criminal Cases: remove , with 2 Support, from the first paragraph. at the end of the list of valid judgements for the question on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5801 O 1 1.5 Murphy Left in a Huff The distribution of this proposal may have failed; Murphy retracted it before it was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 21:35 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: [Actions in this message are meant to take place in order. If an action fails, I intend to continue with the others regardless. Also, I intend PBA actions to happen even if I have the number of Coins wrong.] I withdraw

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) In defense of ehird, some context was lost. E submitted that before the contest as a possible rewrite to the Rule (correcting some meter IIRC) and when the contest started asked me if I was willing to include it. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) In defense of ehird, some context was lost. E submitted that before the contest as a possible rewrite to the Rule (correcting some meter IIRC) and when the contest started

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops will cost you 360 chits and you only have 334. I'm considering this a withdraw of four 7 crops, and will wait on ehird to determine what occurs on the PBA side before continuing. You have (334 - 288 =) 46

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:18, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uggh. I need the RBoA report to sort this all out. Anyway, chits are fungible, so resulting 65 chits is just 65 chits, so I consider it a deposit of 65 chits. I'll work out everything else post-RBoA-report... I

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
ttdf Begin forwarded message: From: Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 October 2008 18:18:01 BDT To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote: Ok, now we have a problem. Five 7 crops

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits for some coins. Ugh. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 18:25 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:25, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:23, Roger Hicks wrote: I know the I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins fails as ais523 got the currencies backward. He specified that incorrect PBA rates should still work. So e deposited 65 chits for some

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in depositing zero, four, or five 7 crops in the PBA? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in depositing zero, four, or five 7 crops in the PBA? BobTHJ as i said

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:37, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait, you can't deposit chits for coins. Yep, fails. Soagain the real question: Did ais523 succeed in

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) IIRC that one was explicitly presented as a revision of the rule in question, to tighten up meter or something.

DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. Fails. At least, I *hope* I didn't miss B Nomic becoming a player.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I leave for the day to go hear Governor Palin speak I transfer one prop from BobTHJ to Barack Obama. NttPF. And no reason given. And Obama is not a first-class player (as defined by Agora).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 18:58, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: ehird (what a blatant ripoff...) IIRC that one was explicitly presented as a revision of the rule in question, to tighten up meter or something. No, that was Pavitra's version, which I copied wholesale. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:01 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. Fails. At least, I *hope* I didn't miss B Nomic becoming a player. Nope, it hasn't registered yet.

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled Indictment Reform. In Rule 1504, Criminal Cases: remove , with 2 Support, from the first paragraph. at the end of the list of valid judgements for the question on culpability, add: * FRIVOLOUS,

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I proto the following AI=2 proposal, entitled Indictment Reform. In Rule 1504, Criminal Cases: remove , with 2 Support, from the first paragraph. at the end of the list of valid judgements for

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, The PerlNomic Partnership [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5801 O 1 1.5 Murphy Left in a Huff The distribution of this proposal may have failed; Murphy retracted it before it was distributed. I re-submitted a revised version (named Fix

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: In this case I'm using the courts in an attempt to glean information about the contract in question. The criminal case is not intended to be an attack on you (sorry if you took it that way), and was not meant to be a punishment or anything; Way back in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, it hasn't registered yet. Also, it isn't a public contract yet because the B Nomic rules haven't been posted to the Agoran PF, and also I'm not sure if the proposal to add the Agoran public contract partnership

Re: DIS: Proto-proposal: Indictment Reform

2008-10-21 Thread Taral
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * FRIVOLOUS, appropriate if the initiator of the CFJ didn't reasonably believe that the defendant was GUILTY at the time e initiated the CFJ. Initiating a criminal CFJ that comes

DIS: Re: BUS: douple dipping?

2008-10-21 Thread Taral
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that ais523 violated Rule 2143 by failing to publish a Mad Scientist's report for the week of 6 Oct. 2008. Hm... no. -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: douple dipping?

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 11:30 -0700, Taral wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that ais523 violated Rule 2143 by failing to publish a Mad Scientist's report for the week of 6 Oct. 2008.

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I withdraw five 7 crops from the RBoA. I deposit them in the PBA. I deposit the resulting 65 Chits for 650 Coins. Five 7 crops (4 from the RBOA, 1 from ais523's personal store) are deposited in the PBA. chit deposit fails. I

DIS: Re: BUS: For matters of deregistration...

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Pavitra wrote: I submit the following proposal, AI=2, II=1, entitled How did the CotC get into it?: By the registrar not existing as an office for a while, leading to a Cantus Cygnus that resulted in a win-by-paradox. -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 12:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: The appeals board have requested me to determine what the referent of One True Agora is. A Google search determines that the phrase does not occur anywhere anywhere, except in Rule 2200, and in

Re: DIS: Unofficial RBOA report

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 19:59, Roger Hicks wrote: Here is an unofficial RBOA report covering the bank run scam and all messages up until ais523's message Converging the Gamestates. In order to calculate that message I will need to know from ehird the number of coins that ais523 presently possesses

DIS: Unofficial RBOA report

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Here is an unofficial RBOA report covering the bank run scam and all messages up until ais523's message Converging the Gamestates. In order to calculate that message I will need to know from ehird the number of coins that ais523 presently possesses (read: I need to see a PBA report that is current

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread warrigal
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Pavitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:00 am Ian Kelly wrote: I especially don't want to start a political discussion within these hallowed fora, so this will be my only post on the subject. Agreed. Between the Illuminati, UNDEAD,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: It was One True Agora, the phrase, I searched for. I was trying to see if there were any references to it anywhere. I don't believe there is an Agoran custom that that name means something; if there had been, more references unrelated to this CFJ would

DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I nominate the Monster, Bayes, the AFO, and the PBA for Conductor. What the hey, I also nominate B Nomic for Conductor. I am willing to have Bayes take on the responsibilities of the office, with the caveat that note

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 16:01 -0400, comex wrote: (The reason I'm responding to one of these mass nominations seriously is that the idea of having Bayes as the recordkeepor for something intrigues me. It'd be a novelty having such a fast recordkeepor, and would certainly make scams like the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, if you want someone more capable in the office, don't vote for Bayes. You could vote for me, although I wouldn't be nearly as fast. Although if root starts publishing a web report updated more frequently than the email

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Although if root starts publishing a web report updated more frequently than the email version, I for one will vote for em. Incidentally, I haven't updated my old Conductor database since around the time root took over, so please don't rely on it. I'll take it offline once root's

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following evidence on CFJ 2196: There now exists a nomic called One True Agora, which can also be called Agora. (Wooble created it a few minutes ago in ##nomic.) While that could complicate matters in general,

DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following actions for. Then we can ratify both bank's reports and this will all be over.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 14:12, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, I'm also intending to (eventually) track credits and markers. H. Accountor, what would be your preference here? I could: * set you up to enter the data and publish the generated reports; * enter the data myself

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:15 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following actions for. Then

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:40, Alex Smith wrote: The relevant part seems to be that I deposited a total of 551 Coins into the RBoA, during the scam and shortly afterward. That should let BobTHJ be able to calculate how many Chits I had altogether when I started buying assets. I think most of

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:15, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report which I can base calculations for the following actions for.

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:44 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:40, Alex Smith wrote: The relevant part seems to be that I deposited a total of 551 Coins into the RBoA, during the scam and shortly afterward. That should let BobTHJ be able to calculate how many Chits I

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:46 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:15, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report is an unofficial report which contains a note of the coins that ais523 deposited into the RBoA. I now request an RBoA report

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 conditional on the deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers all eir coins to the RBoA (^551 - ed, 2008-10-21). So, 551 coins are deposited into the RBOA? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:53 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 conditional on the deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers all eir coins to the RBoA (^551 - ed,

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Alex Smith wrote: So I deposited ^551 into the RBoA altogether. Working out how much I deposited when is both much more difficult and irrelevant. -- ais523 Oh, I see. I will include a note in my report. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. Fails. According to the AAA the PBA has no X crops. I deposit all my Coins in the RBoA, for an appropriate number of Chits. Per ehird's calculations

Re: DIS: Dear BobTHJ

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:57, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 22:53 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 22:46, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008-10-20 19:33 - ais523 withdraws two X crops for ^37 conditional on the deposit succeeding. (it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ais523 brought up another possibility so let me add: I am unaware of the existence any pledge with the above identifier (merely backs up the accepted COE on behalf of Murphy). -Goethe You did not address the claim that

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 15:59, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. Fails.

DIS: Re: BUS: A case of problematic precedence

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 19:56 -0400, comex wrote: I join Nomic Wars I. I add the following section to Nomic Wars I: { Sections with lower Ratings take precedence over sections with higher Ratings; Sections of this contract whose Rating is a positive integer are void and do not apply. } This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 23:03, Roger Hicks wrote: Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. Yay! So are you up to date on RBoA matters? If so, once a [proto-] report is posted I can resolve the last few PBA transactions, we can ratify the reports, etc. --

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Nomic Wars

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree to the Nomic Wars contract, and object to its joining the PRS. -Goethe The joining fails, as it had no parties at that point and cannot survive with one party. Did you mean to join Nomic Wars II? -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
Let's try this again - CORRECTED-: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 13:33, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. Fails. The PBA has no X crops. I deposit all my Coins in the RBoA, for an appropriate number of Chits. 236 coins (551

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Nomination

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, if you want someone more capable in the office, don't vote for Bayes. You could vote for me, although I wouldn't be nearly as fast. Although if root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-21 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 16:10, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Oct 2008, at 23:03, Roger Hicks wrote: Please disregard this last message. It is utterly incorrect. I will repost it. Yay! So are you up to date on RBoA matters? If so, once a [proto-]report is posted I can resolve

DIS: Re: BUS: Application for citizenship

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 02:43 -0500, Gavin Dow wrote: I hereby announce that I wish to register for citizenship in Agora. Welcome! Which name do you wish to be known by on reports? -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2008-10-18 at 14:25 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree to the following pledge, called HAL: 1. By pledge of Goethe, HAL is a biological organism that can communicate in English. Goethe may act on behalf of HAL by announcement. Goethe may terminate HAL by announcement.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following evidence on CFJ 2196: There now exists a nomic called One True Agora, which can also be called Agora. (Wooble created it a few minutes ago in ##nomic.) While

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: This pledge is obviously self-contradictory. If Goethe could terminate HAL by announcement, e could remove eir right to call CFJs. By rule 101, this is obviously impossible. Also, HAL is not party to that pledge, so you can't Mousetrap em like that.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Nomic Wars

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:54 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I agree to the Nomic Wars contract, and object to its joining the PRS. -Goethe The joining fails, as it had no parties at that point and cannot survive with one party. Did you mean to join Nomic

DIS: Re: BUS: (Possibly ex-)registrar's notes on proposal 5770

2008-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I'll delete the bouncing-email watchers from the Registrar Report that I next publish. I'll continue publishing Registrar's Reports until it's determined who the Registrar is, and suggest that the Monster republish them. And these Watchers (the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rejudgement, CFJ 2196

2008-10-21 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And anyway, don't these noobs due research? CFJ 1520. In fact CFJ 1520 makes the second sentence of the rule in question entirely superfluous. -Goethe Heh. I had forgotten about that. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Good morning, Dave

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Terminating the pledge is no different than terminating a partnership. Are you arguing that partnerships can't be terminated due to their losing R101 rights? The argument's been brought up before...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-21 Thread comex
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? I just did ? nevermind.

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