Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Rodlen wrote: Recognizing that there were six violations of the rule, therefore allowing a punishment for each, I opine AFFIRM. NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions

2009-04-29 Thread Charles Reiss
On 4/28/09 4:01 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: I retract the previous version of this proposal. Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions (AI = 3, please) Amend Rule 2125 (Regulation Regulations) by replacing this text: d) The rules explicitly state that it MAY be performed while

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Manual caste flips

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:04 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I spend C D E to flip j's caste to Alpha. That's a lot to spend to ensure that a player who's abandoned the game gets to be Epsilon in a couple of days. Err... C D E

DIS: Re: BUS: Manual caste flips

2009-04-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: I spend C D E to flip j's caste to Alpha. That's a lot to spend to ensure that a player who's abandoned the game gets to be Epsilon in a couple of days.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 09:33 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I judge CFJ 2471 FALSE. An announcement about the past that does not fall into any of the categories in rule 869 is just a true statement, not a registration action. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 09:33 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I judge CFJ 2471 FALSE. An announcement about the past that does not fall into any of the categories in

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support. CFJ 2471 is trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that message. I believe I didn't CFJ on what I wanted to. Interpreting after as a gloss for as a result of may be acceptable shorthand for these

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Decriminalize restricted actions

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
woggle wrote: This should avoid taking precedence over a higher- or lower-class crime defined by the rule that contains the MAY. What would be better is a general precedence rule for actions violating multiple rules, either to make explicit or to alter the current only one (of the players'

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:25 -0700, Rodlen wrote: DARGH! Recognizing that there were six violations of the rule, therefore allowing a punishment for each, I opine AFFIRM. Does the subject line or who's-assigned-to-what list give enough context to determine which appeal this is about, I

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: with:        Each asset has exactly one owner.  If an asset would otherwise        lack an owner, it is owned by the Lost and Found Department.  If        an asset's backing document restricts its ownership to a class      

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:25 -0700, Rodlen wrote: DARGH! Recognizing that there were six violations of the rule, therefore allowing a punishment for each, I opine AFFIRM. Does the subject line or who's-assigned-to-what

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support.  CFJ 2471 is trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that message.  I believe I didn't CFJ on what I wanted to. I interpreted after as due to, but I

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I submit a proposal, entitled In the future, I want my stuff back, a more general solution, AI =2 with the following body: In R2166 replace the following paragraph: Each asset has exactly one owner. If

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Quazie
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:23 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I intend to appeal this judgement with 2 Support.  CFJ 2471 is trivially true, as I am currently a player and it is after I sent that message.  I believe I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements, CFJs 2471-4

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: When I became a player is relevant, and what constitutes a valid registration is relevant. So the judgements should be left alone, since that's what they currently determine. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: A more general solution

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Quazie wrote: I submit a proposal, entitled In the future, I want my stuff back: If I come back in time I would vote against this in principle. I'd also object to every attempt to reclaim stuff unless it was due to accidental bug-induced involuntary deregistration (which

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2451a assigned to BobTHJ, Rodlen, root

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Quazie wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Also (just to note) I think that if you perform something obviously illegal to win the game from scratch... Quazie wrote: What if there was a de-contest-ation. The removal of

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal:  Generalize equity (AI = 1.7, please) Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text:      An equity case CAN be initiated identifying the ruleset in place      of a contract.  For the purpose of such

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal:  Generalize equity (AI = 1.7, please) Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text:      An equity case CAN be initiated identifying the ruleset in place

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Proposal:  Generalize equity (AI = 1.7, please) Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text:      An equity case CAN be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Actually you're right. This doesn't work in that it means one could litigate perfectly legal backstabbing, reducing someone else's caste, etc. which we don't want. I think a more appropriate way would be to say that: After a finding of Guilty, in place of a Sentence, an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 13:29 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: Actually you're right. This doesn't work in that it means one could litigate perfectly legal backstabbing, reducing someone else's caste, etc. which we don't want. I think a more appropriate way would be to say that:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 15:04 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: The unnecessary score reset has been bugging me, especially with a second one looming around the corner when comex manages to get rid of eir rests. I don't think it merits something as complex as equity, though. Proposal: Mitigate point

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize equity

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Heh, I have a proposal in the pool to achieve more or less exactly the same effect, at the moment. Mine tries to fix the immediate aftermath of the scams win, though (restoring the points of players whose points were

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Scam tolerance

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Scam tolerance (AI = 1.7, please) ais523 is a co-author of this proposal. Amend Rule 2169 (Equity Cases) by appending this text: For the purpose of an equity case regarding a scam, it is generally equitable to let the scammers

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contest: 3-Scroll Rodney

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: Quazie wrote: I join the above contract Hrm... typo. I intend, without objection from a party to it, to replace the ordinal 13 with 12 in 3-Scroll Rodney. I intend, without objection from a party to it, to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contest: 3-Scroll Rodney

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: I also have explict consent from Quazie privately to reduce the penalty Rests to 2 from 4. I make all these amendments, making the text of 3-Scroll Rodney as follows: NttPF.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: 6254  Mitigate point scams                       O  1.0  1   root AGAINST x 2 - there's no requirement this would have to be used for It's not intended for scams only. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: 6240  The Power of Capitalization, and I mean... D  3.0  1   Quazie AGAINST - Don't force the Rulekeepor to do this emself; these could all be Cleanliness changes. I also don't want any unintended effects. For reference: (and

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Sgeo
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Sgeo sgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread comex
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: 6246 Fix Office InterestO 1.0 1 Wooble CoE: Wooble submitted this, not coppro who's listed as the author later. FOR Hrm... this is indeed the case. I appear to have accidentally

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Midweek Distribution 6238 - 6256

2009-04-29 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: 6256 Inactivity is unpopularD 2.0 1 coppro AGAINST [inactives are preferred for promotions too?] No, it simply allows me to demote inactives multiple times during a cycle.

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Ian Kelly
Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result of a scam or anything, but people were itching a bit for a map, and voters liked the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Ian Kelly wrote: Really, the idea that R2105 (The Map of Agora) has been a traditional target of scamsters is a bit exaggerated. Here's the full history. The map was created by Maud's proposal 4735. This wasn't the result of a scam or anything, but people were itching

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Alex Smith wrote: I tried to post a thesis to the public forum recently but it was held for approval due to being too long. Until it turns up, have a version sent as a compressed attachment to save on size. I hereby publish the document attached to the

DIS: Re: BUS: Thesis, compressed

2009-04-29 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Create a new power-1 rule reading as follows: {{ The Herald SHALL, as soon as possible after the enactment of this rule, initiate an Agoran Decision to award ais523 a degree for eir thesis on the ruleset, as specified in rule 1367. When e does so, e CAN

DIS: Re: BUS: Bandwagoning

2009-04-29 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 20:29, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I harvest 106 (recently-amended rule number) for 8 random crops. Any chance for a current SoA report? BobTHJ