DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Benjamin Caplan wrote: > I agree to the {}-delimited contract below. > > With the majority consent of the set of myself, I cause the LPRS to > intend with Agoran Consent to register. Fails, the LPRS is not a contract.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >>> tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt. >> or it collides with yasacisaisidtid is left as an exercise. I, for one, > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Pavit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt. > or it collides with yasacisaisidtid is left as an exercise. I, for one, On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Pavitra wrote: > >> tiyaeotpocawethpafalt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Pavitra wrote: >> >>> tiyaeotpocawethpafalt. >> >> TPOCAWE?  (And nathoeusnat, for that matter?) >> > The practice of cryptic acronyms without explanation. > > nathoeusnat was just banging randomly on my (Dvorak) keyboar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: > Pavitra wrote: > >> tiyaeotpocawethpafalt. > > TPOCAWE? (And nathoeusnat, for that matter?) > The practice of cryptic acronyms without explanation. nathoeusnat was just banging randomly on my (Dvorak) keyboard. What are tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt and yasacisaisidtid? In part

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:47 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: Also, wasn't the original CFJ appealed? Or did the attempt to appeal it go wrong somehow? >>> coppro intended to appeal and only got 1 sup

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > tiyaeotpocawethpafalt. TPOCAWE? (And nathoeusnat, for that matter?)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2584 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> This proposal would be ineffective because you don't specify where >> in the rules to add the new texts. ("Append" works, "append after X" >> works, "add" does not work.) > > Is there a precedent for this? Ordinary language; "

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify conditional votes

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > While you're at it, you might change "during the voting period" so it > can't mean "throughout the entire voting period". Bah, the Note's already been spent. If this passes, would the Janitor please change it to "at some point during the voting period"?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 2009-06-17, Ed Murphy wrote: [snip] >> (The FAQ should probably include entries for "AGAINT", "nkep", >> and "zoop", if it doesn't already. Any others?) > Retarded monkies and The Retarded Monkey School of Rule > Interpretation! I expect those would be reasonably obvious from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544a assigned to G., coppro, Pavitra, Yally, Wooble

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> coppro wrote: >> >>> Benjamin Caplan wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2544a > I opine REASSIGN. REMAND would normally be appropriate in this > situation, however, the cas

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:47 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >>> Also, wasn't the original CFJ appealed? Or did the attempt to appeal it >>> go wrong somehow? >> coppro intended to appeal and only got 1 support. > > Oops, I meant t

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:33 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: >> Fine. But I still think I deserve a win from this, so I CFJ on the >> following sentence. It would be legal for for the IADoP to submit eir >> report with the date the report is being submitted, not the date eir >> previo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: >> c-walker wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. >>> I object. What exactly is the po

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clarify conditional votes

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: > Proposal: Clarify conditional votes > > Amend Rule 2127 (Conditional Votes) by replacing the first two > paragraphs with this text: > > If a vote on an Agoran decision is submitted conditionally > (e.g. "FOR if is true, otherwise AGAINST"), then the > select

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2584 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Sean Hunt wrote: > I CFJ {The proposal entitled It's the Thought That Counts, if adopted, > would successfully cause the first Rule Change described in its text.} > I CFJ {The proposal entitled It's the Thought That Counts, if adopted, > would successfully cause the second Rule Change described in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2584 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > This proposal would be ineffective because you don't specify where > in the rules to add the new texts.  ("Append" works, "append after X" > works, "add" does not work.) Is there a precedent for this? -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Safety Nets

2009-06-17 Thread Elliott Hird
Leaves ambiguity. On 2009-06-18, Sean Hunt wrote: > The following are the Myndzi Playerhood Safety Nets, one with myndzi > being a player, one with em not being a player. > > {myndzi is a player.} > {myndzi is not a player.} > > Either document may be ratified at a later date, this allows any > a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6355-6376

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Benjamin > Caplan wrote: >> Interesting. >> >> We really need a more explicitly well-ordered ruleset if things like >> this need to be spelled out. Rule says "rules to the contrary >> notwithstanding", and that just isn't true. The rules SHOULD

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6355-6376

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Interesting. > > We really need a more explicitly well-ordered ruleset if things like > this need to be spelled out. Rule says "rules to the contrary > notwithstanding", and that just isn't true. The rules SHOULD NOT contain > falsehoo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6355-6376

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >>> 6357 O 1 1.0 comex 3 support is boring >> FOR x 12 > > Rule 2019 takes precedence over Rule (both Power=2, both claim > precedence, 2019 has lower rule number) so this works. Interesting. We really need a more explicitly well-ordered rul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, comex wrote: >> It is reasonable to expect a small modicum of effort by the judge, >> such as reading messages sent to the discussion forum on the same day. > > You have to understand: when I joined this game (you can see this when > you look back at the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Elliott Hird
Retarded monkies and The Retarded Monkey School of Rule Interpretation! On 2009-06-17, Ed Murphy wrote: > c-walker wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >>> flip the contestmaster of the below contra

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Elliott Hird
Combine that in an iPhoning fashion. On 2009-06-17, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Elliott Hird wrote: >> I Dance a Powerful Dance. >> >> I hail Eris! > > So do I, but in a bottom-posting fashion. > > Pavitra >

DIS: Re: BUS: Voting CFJ

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: >> I CFJ on the following sentence. I cast a vote in the recent Promotor >> election. > > Trivially TRUE, you cast an invalid vote. > I sit up. I become Hanging. I thought it was trivially FALSE at first, but I see what yo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > Alex Smith wrote: >> e can report Myndzi's playership >> as disputed, but continuing for ages with unknown registration statuses >> could really be damaging to Agora (c.f. Annabel, but probably not quite >> as bad unless Myndzi starts taking actions). >> > E

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The problem on putting the onus on the CFJ caller, here, is that e may > not be the best person to know the information. If the caller responds, > effectively, "go on, then, continue playing with unkno

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Alex Smith wrote: > Part of the serious problem in this case is that there isn't a whole lot > of information around as-is; in particular, I'm not entirely sure if > there's enough information to produce a judgement, although there may > be. Even more interesting, the playership of a player is up f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:50 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Gratuitous arguments for the appeal: > In this case, from the Caller's Evidence, there's no record of what > happened, no reference to the event that may have made Myndzi a > player, and no reference for the judge to look it up. Only an obs

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Actual Anarchist Election

2009-06-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/18 Kerim Aydin > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > >> I initiate an Agoran decision to decide the holder of the Anarchist > >> office. The eligible voters are the active players, the vote collector > >> is the IADoP, and the valid opt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Roger Hicks wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:41, Taral wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> No. When a win by points occurs it schedules an event one week in the >>> future. When it comes time for that event the game checks if a skunk >>> has been declared in the pas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:58, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >> flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. >> { >> The name of this public contract is the Points Relay Service II. Any >> person CAN joi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: >> c-walker wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. >>> >>> I object. What exact

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Elliott Hird >> wrote: >>> >>> I Dance a Powerful Dance. >> >> tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt. > > At the time of the Town Fountain, "to dance" had a cultural significance > of public by-announcement per

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Roger Hicks wrote: > I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to > flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. > { > The name of this public contract is the Points Relay Service II. Any > person CAN join or leave this contract. Any party CAN amend this > contract

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Alex Smith wrote: >> By this definition, I make the current list of those who are marvy: >> {C-walker, Pavitra, Taral, ehird}. Note that allispaul is not on this >> list. Therefore, FALSE. > > NoV: Taral violated the Power=4 Rule 2029 by failing to D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > True, but I don't see how that ties a specific skunk to a specific > reset. I could honestly see this being interpreted either way, but in > my estimation one skunk canceling all pending resets seems to make the > most sense based on the wording

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:41, Taral wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> No. When a win by points occurs it schedules an event one week in the >> future. When it comes time for that event the game checks if a skunk >> has been declared in the past week. If not the reset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:40 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM, > > C-walker wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > >>> == CFJ 2586 == > >>> > >>>Myndzi is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > No. When a win by points occurs it schedules an event one week in the > future. When it comes time for that event the game checks if a skunk > has been declared in the past week. If not the reset occurs, otherwise > it does not. Except that sku

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM, > C-walker wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> == CFJ 2586 == >>> >>>Myndzi is a player. >> >> I judge UNDETERMINED due to complete lack of evidence. T

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:35, Taral wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> "If any player does so within the allowed week..." in the next >> sentence would corroborate this I think. From my reading one skunk >> would void all pending point resets. > > That doesn't make sen

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Aaron Goldfein wrote: >> Fine. But I still think I deserve a win from this, so I CFJ on the >> following sentence. It would be legal for for the IADoP to submit eir report >> with the date the report is being submitted, not the date eir previous >> report was submitted. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Taral wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> "If any player does so within the allowed week..." in the next >> sentence would corroborate this I think. From my reading one skunk >> would void all pending point resets. > > That doesn't make sense. One skunk and one reset. Y

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > "If any player does so within the allowed week..." in the next > sentence would corroborate this I think. From my reading one skunk > would void all pending point resets. That doesn't make sense. One skunk and one reset. Your reading would mean

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A wisp of vapor escapes the fountain...

2009-06-17 Thread Warrigal
2009/6/17 Charles Reiss > I don't think your attempt to define 'Marvy' does anything. (The judge, > after carefully considering the implications of using it as guidance, > will probably decide not to in the best interest of the game.) And, > well, "you who are marvellous" probably isn't a bad 'ord

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:09, Sean Hunt wrote: > Taral wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> I object, since this would interrupt the other two score resets. Since >>> every player is losing 98% of their points anyways, I don't think the >>> third reset will have any impa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Taral wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I object, since this would interrupt the other two score resets. Since >> every player is losing 98% of their points anyways, I don't think the >> third reset will have any impact whatsoever. > > Would it? I'm not convinced that t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:56 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:51, Sean Hunt wrote: > > I object, since this would interrupt the other two score resets. Since > > every player is losing 98% of their points anyways, I don't think the > > third reset will have any impact whatsoeve

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I object, since this would interrupt the other two score resets. Since > every player is losing 98% of their points anyways, I don't think the > third reset will have any impact whatsoever. Would it? I'm not convinced that this will prevent the o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:51, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Roger Hicks wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:43, Taral wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, comex wrote: > The following is a Win Announcement: coppro and comex each have scores > x+yi such that xy >= 2500

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:51, Sean Hunt wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:43, Taral wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, comex wrote: The following is a Win Announcement: coppro and comex each have scores x+yi such that xy >= 2500. >>> I intend, with Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:48 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > Does anyone care to CFJ this? or would one of the scammers kindly > describe how this scam works? as far as I can see it doesn't, but I > suspect I may be missing something. I think I can explain, because I was planning the same scam myself (

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 14:47, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 13:43 -0700, Taral wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, comex wrote: >> > The following is a Win Announcement: coppro and comex each have scores >> > x+yi such that xy >= 2500. >> >> I intend, with Agoran Consent, to de

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Taral
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Normally, I'd agree. However, there are going to be so many score resets > anyway due to legit wins, that why bother? To avoid stacking resets? On principle? I'm leaning toward the latter, since I have no points anyway. -- Taral "Please let m

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:25, comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I agree to CO 1. >> I agree to CO 2. >> I agree to CO 3. >> I agree to CO 4. >> I agree to CO 5. >> I agree to CO 6. >> I agree to CO 7. >> I agree to CO 8. >> I agree to CO 9. >> I agree to CO 10. >

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 13:43 -0700, Taral wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, comex wrote: > > The following is a Win Announcement: coppro and comex each have scores > > x+yi such that xy >= 2500. > > I intend, with Agoran Consent, to declare a skunk. > Normally, I'd agree. However, there a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:47 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Also, wasn't the original CFJ appealed? Or did the attempt to appeal it > > go wrong somehow? > > coppro intended to appeal and only got 1 support. Oops, I meant to support that too.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Also, wasn't the original CFJ appealed? Or did the attempt to appeal it > go wrong somehow? coppro intended to appeal and only got 1 support.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 13:44 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > > Fine. But I still think I deserve a win from this, so I CFJ on the > > following sentence. It would be legal for for the IADoP to submit eir report > > with the date the report

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: Win by Paradox

2009-06-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:33 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Fine. But I still think I deserve a win from this, so I CFJ on the > following sentence. It would be legal for for the IADoP to submit eir > report with the date the report is being submitted, not the date eir > previous report was submitt

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2582 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/17 Rodlen > > I judge CFJ 2582 true.  A Powerful Dance has a separate and distinct > existence, and is therefore an entity.  Therefore, as it is powerful, it is > an Instrument. > > -- > --Rodlen Unless either this or the CFJ about Taral, ehird and whoever it was baing Marvies gets appeal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Oh but wait, that means the Caller has to expend some effort instead > of the CotC, a full appeals court, and the judges?  How un-Agoran! It is reasonable to expect a small modicum of effort by the judge, such as reading messages sent to the di

DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Ryan Ursenbach wrote: >> I agree to all of those contracts I favor this CFJ. Too early?

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544a assigned to G., coppro, Pavitra, Yally, Wooble

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >> Benjamin Caplan wrote: >>> Sean Hunt wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2544a I opine REASSIGN. REMAND would normally be appropriate in this situation, however, the case now has an interest in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > C-walker wrote: >> I judge UNDETERMINED due to complete lack of evidence. This is clearly >> not decidable based on the Caller's Evidence below, and as per CFJ >> 1744 it is not my job to go finding the relevant evidence in the >> archives. > > I intend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > c-walker wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >>> flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. >> >> I object. What exactly is the point? (No pun in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Recusals

2009-06-17 Thread C-walker
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > c-walker wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> I recuse c-walker from CFJ 2547. >> >> When was I assigned to this? I can't seem to find it. > > June 6. Ah, I've found it now. Third Judge lucky? -- C-walker

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2572 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:11, Sean Hunt wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2572 >> >> =  Criminal Case 2572  = >> >>     You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward violated the Power 2 Rule >>     2158 by f

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2586 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:38 AM, > C-walker wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> == CFJ 2586 == >>> >>>Myndzi is a player. >> I judge UNDETERMINED due to complete lack of evidence. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 affirmed by allispaul, Taral, Tiger

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > Fails. No new rests were created as a result of appeal. You can only > destroy rests from the prior judgement if the appeal overrules, > remands, or reassigns. > > BobTHJ Ah, yes, I was confusing it with the closed NoV -> GUILTY interaction that causes double rests.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2572 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >> Ed Murphy wrote: >>> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2572 >>> >>> = Criminal Case 2572 = >>> >>> You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward violated the Power 2 Rule >>> 2158 by failin

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 affirmed by allispaul, Taral, Tiger

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:12, Sean Hunt wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2545a >> >>  Appeal 2545a   >> >> Panelist:                               Tiger >> Decision:                      

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2572 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2572 >> >> = Criminal Case 2572 = >> >> You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward violated the Power 2 Rule >> 2158 by failing to assign a judgement to C

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Recusals

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I recuse c-walker from CFJ 2547. > > When was I assigned to this? I can't seem to find it. June 6. http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2009-June/006493.html

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >> flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. > > I object. What exactly is the point? (No pun intended). To zoop around the rules' restrictio

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering on behalf

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Elliott Hird wrote: > Listen. 101 requires explicit, willful consent. That was simply not present. E has the right not to be bound. This does not necessarily mean e implicitly exercises that right.

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > Point Vouchers are an asset whose recordkeepor is the contestmaster. > There are two types of Point Vouchers: X and Y. Point Vouchers of the > same type are fungible. Point Vouchers may be abbreviated as PVX and > PVY respectively. You abbreviate the latter as PRY in the rest of t

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2572 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-17 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2572 > > = Criminal Case 2572 = > > You May Call Me Big Fucking Edward violated the Power 2 Rule > 2158 by failing to assign a judgement to CFJ 2537 as soon as >

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > I Dance a Powerful Dance. > > I hail Eris! http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/19/

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > 2009/6/17 C-walker >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> > I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >> > flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. >> >> I object. What exactly is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:50, comex wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jonatan > Kilhamn wrote: >> Trading with points can already be done, however, at least in the same >> limited fashion as the contract would allow - no more then 5 points >> from any player or to any player per week. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:42 PM, comex wrote: > Er, okay.  I can't find where Pavitra gained that extra 8 crop, so I'm > recording it as having been created in the IBA's possession by > self-ratification. e has an 8 ranch. It entirely possible you were looking at a AAA report that didn't include

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Trading with points can already be done, however, at least in the same > limited fashion as the contract would allow - no more then 5 points > from any player or to any player per week. No they can't, because Rule 2166 (Assets) states that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, comex wrote: >> This partially fails (unless I was wrong about Pavitra's crop >> holdings?) because the IBA only had 3 8 crops. > > The AAA report of 8 June listed it with 4 8 crops.  If it was > incorrect,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/17 Roger Hicks > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:50, C-walker > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > >> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to > >> flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. > > > > I object. What exactly i

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:50 AM, C-walker wrote: > I object. What exactly is the point? (No pun intended). The same as the last PRS; to subvert the democratic process to create a market for a scarce resource. If you want it to be easier to transfer points (and it is already easier than it was wh

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/17 C-walker > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > > I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to > > flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. > > I object. What exactly is the point? (No pun intended). > > -- > C-walker Ensuring C no

DIS: Re: BUS: Points Relay Service II

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:50, C-walker wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I agree to the below contract. I intend without three objections to >> flip the contestmaster of the below contract to BobTHJ. > > I object. What exactly is the point? (No pun intended). > A con

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, comex wrote: > This partially fails (unless I was wrong about Pavitra's crop > holdings?) because the IBA only had 3 8 crops. The AAA report of 8 June listed it with 4 8 crops. If it was incorrect, it's still since self-ratified.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 09:35, comex wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: >> >> I join the IBA. >> I IBA-deposit 4 6 crops (gaining, I think, 200zm). >> I IBA-withdraw 2 5 crops (for, I think, 54zm). >> I IBA-withdraw 1 7 crop (for, I think, 19zm). >> I IBA-withdraw 4 8 c

DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread comex
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: > > I join the IBA. > I IBA-deposit 4 6 crops (gaining, I think, 200zm). > I IBA-withdraw 2 5 crops (for, I think, 54zm). > I IBA-withdraw 1 7 crop (for, I think, 19zm). > I IBA-withdraw 4 8 crops (for, I think, 48zm). This partially fails (un

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/17 Geoffrey Spear > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: > > I IBA-withdraw 2 5 crops (for, I think, 54zm). > > fails, you have no 5 crops. Doesn't withdraw mean e's taking them out of the bank? -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: >> I IBA-withdraw 2 5 crops (for, I think, 54zm). > > fails, you have no 5 crops. > >>        3 + 7 = X >>        4 * 8 = X >>        4 * 8 = X >>        4 * 8 = X >>        8 / 3 = X >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Farming / Banking

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: > I IBA-withdraw 2 5 crops (for, I think, 54zm). fails, you have no 5 crops. >        3 + 7 = X >        4 * 8 = X >        4 * 8 = X >        4 * 8 = X >        8 / 3 = X >        8 / 3 = X >        8 / 3 = X >        8 / 3 = X >        7 / 4

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Elliott Hird > wrote: >> >> I Dance a Powerful Dance. > > tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt. At the time of the Town Fountain, "to dance" had a cultural significance of public by-announcement performance in Agora and could be u

DIS: Re: BUS: Recusals

2009-06-17 Thread C-walker
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > I recuse c-walker from CFJ 2547. When was I assigned to this? I can't seem to find it. -- C-walker, who intends, without objection

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > meaning they had when the rule was created), not to mention rule 1586, I > can only conclude that "marvy" in rule 2029 has the meaning it did when > the Fountain was created. Just as a note, CFJ 1500 contradicts this approach (as the caller, I reasoned as

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 2585

2009-06-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > > I Dance a Powerful Dance. tiyaeotkoisidtidthpalalt.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering on behalf

2009-06-17 Thread Elliott Hird
Listen. 101 requires explicit, willful consent. That was simply not present. On 2009-06-17, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Craig Daniel wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Warrigal wrote: >>> 2009/6/16 Elliott Hird 2009/6/16 Taral : > On Tue, Jun 16

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