Re: DIS: Card delays (and attn BobTHJ)

2009-07-16 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 19:04, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: Can I supply a hefty bribe from my nonexistent pot of currency to make sure that the new system is as little like the previous one as possible?

DIS: Re: BUS: Recusals

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: I recuse Rodlen from CFJs 2582 and 2624. I recuse allispaul from CFJ 2621 and make em supine. (Has the amendment passed yet to allow me to recuse em from 2610 for being inactive?) Yes.

DIS: Re: BUS: Buzz buzz

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 01:39, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I transfer a prop from coppro (because a prop given sarcastically defeats the intended purpose) to BobTHJ (for deal automation). I have the automation in place to track Airstrip One as I did previously. If you'd like me to

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-07-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I harvest 2631, 2632, 2633, 2634, 2635 (CFJ numbers) for two WRV each, using X crops as needed. If I am unable to harvest all of these numbers I instead harvest as many as possible. Note: the Date: header on this message is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 08:50, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I harvest 2631, 2632, 2633, 2634, 2635 (CFJ numbers) for two WRV each, using X crops as needed. If I am unable to harvest all of these numbers I

DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: I go on hold. I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: Ooh, that's a nice little bug. And a sum of unintended consequences rather than just a straightforward bad card proposal writing. I

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread Taral
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: ==  Equity Case 2623  ==    comex - who (dubiously) counts as the CotC when performing    Justiciar duties - rotated the bench without intending to    mislead others as to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/7/16 Taral tar...@gmail.com: By the initiator's own admission, e did not envision anything by the contract. I proto-judge {The parties to (2008-11-22-ehird) SHALL act to terminate it ASAP.} Comments? That parenthical was a joke; are you seriously suggesting that being reckless absolves

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/7/16 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: Ooh, that's a nice little bug.  And a sum of unintended consequences rather than just a straightforward bad card proposal writing. That's not possible; Wooble didn't write it.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/7/16 Taral tar...@gmail.com: By the initiator's own admission, e did not envision anything by the contract. I proto-judge {The parties to (2008-11-22-ehird) SHALL act to terminate it ASAP.} Comments? That parenthical was a joke; are you seriously suggesting that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: I go on hold. I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: Ooh, that's a nice little bug. And a sum of unintended consequences rather than just a straightforward bad card proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: G. wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: I go on hold. I come off hold. I Form a Government as follows: Ooh, that's a nice little bug. And a sum of unintended consequences rather than just

DIS: Re: BUS: Speed Things Up

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: For each proposal currently in the Proposal Pool, I intend, without 3 objections, to distribute it. I object. Every person is allowed one free by announcement per week right now. That should be plenty fast. -G. It would be if

DIS: Re: BUS: Speed Things Up

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: For each proposal currently in the Proposal Pool, I intend, without 3 objections, to distribute it. I object to all of these. I nominate myself as Promotor, but will drop out in favor of any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Speed Things Up

2009-07-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not anti-Distributability, I'm anti-the-lull-in-distribution-indirectly-caused-by-cards-through-no-fault-in-the-proposal's-design. Maybe the proposals in the pool just aren't that good.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Speed Things Up

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: For each proposal currently in the Proposal Pool, I intend, without 3 objections, to distribute it. I object. Every person is allowed one free by announcement per week right now. That should be

DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:05, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I come off hold.  I Form a Government as follows: Minister without Portfolio: c. Majority Leader: BobTHJ Cabinet Secretary: Murphy Chief Whip: Wooble Justiciar: ais523 Admiral of the Navy: Taral I go on hold.  I

DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 13:28, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:05, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I come off hold.  I Form a Government as follows: Minister without Portfolio: c. Majority Leader: BobTHJ Cabinet Secretary: Murphy Chief Whip: Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: Since the Coda proposal defined a new list, members were only added to the list at the time the proposal was adopted. As a result here is the list of succession (in order of most recent champion to least recent): First, we're a few hours away from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: The issue indeed is CFJ-worthy. I wondered this exact question at the time I published the card holder list, and can see arguments both ways, in that the list of the last 5 champions certainly arbitrarily existed as a platonic entity (to which people

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe that would make coppro the speaker as of the adoption of the cards proposal... HALT. *Within* the proposal, proposal cards were created *before* the Speakership was redefined. So the card creation was in relation to the *old* speaker. At

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread Taral
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: That parenthical was a joke; are you seriously suggesting that being reckless absolves us of the obligations? In an Equitable sense, I believe it actually does. If you both entered into the contract without any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 13:48, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: The issue indeed is CFJ-worthy. I wondered this exact question at the time I published the card holder list, and can see arguments both ways, in that the list of the last 5

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread comex
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Taraltar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal. A request to set a rule AI to 2 seems fairly unambiguous to me as a request to set power to 2. I support. More common sense

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:08, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Taraltar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal. A request to set a rule AI to 2 seems fairly unambiguous to me

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 19:18 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/7/16 Taral tar...@gmail.com: By the initiator's own admission, e did not envision anything by the contract. I proto-judge {The parties to (2008-11-22-ehird) SHALL act to terminate it ASAP.} Comments? That parenthical was a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:08, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Taraltar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal. A request to set a rule AI to 2 seems fairly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:46, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: AI is a term defined and used in many places in the rules. There is no qway to say that setting a rule's AI is unambiguously setting a rule's power. My interpretation would be that it simply sets its AI. The alternative

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-07-16 at 14:48 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:46, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: AI is a term defined and used in many places in the rules. There is no qway to say that setting a rule's AI is unambiguously setting a rule's power. My interpretation would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:08, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Taraltar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal. A request to set a rule AI to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:08, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Taraltar...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: I intend (with 2 support) to appeal. A request to set a rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: Tiger - July 6 c. - July 6 (and previously on Jun 24) Wooble - July 6 ais523 - July 6 (twice) coppro - June 24 Ah, but here's the thing. Wooble has been on the last 5 list continuously since... well, for a while. So e was added to that list a long

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: Tiger - July 6 c. - July 6 (and previously on Jun 24) Wooble - July 6 ais523 - July 6 (twice) coppro - June 24 Ah, but here's the thing. Wooble has been on the last 5 list continuously since... well, for a while. So e was added

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: So both eir recent governments failed, correct? Ah yes, just checked; any speaker activity e tried after e went on hold and came back would have failed. I'll try to assemble a full list of succession history tomorrow to confirm the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2623 assigned to Taral

2009-07-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/7/16 Taral tar...@gmail.com: In an Equitable sense, I believe it actually does. If you both entered into the contract without any intention that it have any effect on you, it may not even be a contract. Oh, we knew it'd have effects; we just didn't care because we were busy giggling about

Re: DIS: Cards Web Interface

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: All activity related to cards since their inception is available for perusal at my web-interface: http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx It is still rather rough at the moment. Changes to account for ehird's suggestions as well as a text-only version for recordkeepor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: So both eir recent governments failed, correct? The Major Arcana rule was never created, so yes either way.

DIS: Unofficial list of office priorities

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Here is my unofficial list of office priorities. If anyone has any objections, please list them very specifically. The intent is to allow BobTHJ and myself to assign deals as appropriate for these so that we can get Cards into the intended state. I've also included II and some notes on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: So both eir recent governments failed, correct? The Major Arcana rule was never created, so yes either way. Why don't you actually read the proposal? They were platonically

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2631 assigned to c.

2009-07-16 Thread comex
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I agree with c. here; rule changes have a special standard and absolute and precise specification is required.  I screwed up.  -G. On my part, I apologize that I have to leave in the middle of what looks like some

Re: DIS: Cards Web Interface

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:50, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: All activity related to cards since their inception is available for perusal at my web-interface: http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx It is still rather rough at the moment. Changes to account for ehird's

DIS: All hail Speaker coppro - Maybe?

2009-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
[BobTHJ and coppro, your opinion on this sequence and logic is very welcome] [Also, this is a little odd at bootup, but I think more normal afterwards] The list of champion awards since March 1 (eldest to youngest) is as follows: 1. ais523 2. G. 3. OscarMeyr 4. ais523 5. root

DIS: Re: BUS: well, we know he was in a hurry...

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:33, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I come off hold.  I Form a Government as follows: I CFJ on: {{c. is Justiciar.}} Gratuitous:  When Wooble went on hold, e ceased to be on the List of Succession.  When e came

Re: DIS: All hail Speaker coppro - Maybe?

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: [BobTHJ and coppro, your opinion on this sequence and logic is very welcome] [Also, this is a little odd at bootup, but I think more normal afterwards] The list of champion awards since March 1 (eldest to youngest) is as follows: 1. ais523 2. G. 3.

DIS: Re: BUS: Going on hold

2009-07-16 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: Starting tomorrow I will be unable to send or receive messages for two weeks.  Accordingly, I go on hold.  After publishing this week's SLR I'll resign Rulekeepor; if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Going on hold

2009-07-16 Thread Sgeo
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sgeosgeos...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: Starting tomorrow I will be unable to send or receive messages for two weeks.  Accordingly, I go on hold.

Re: DIS: Unofficial list of office priorities

2009-07-16 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 20:09, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my unofficial list of office priorities. If anyone has any objections, please list them very specifically. The intent is to allow BobTHJ and myself to assign deals as appropriate for these so that we can get Cards into

Re: DIS: Unofficial list of office priorities

2009-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: If you give me 24 hours I'll have an interface (if you prefer) available for your use to deal cards that will integrate with my recordkeeping. I also noticed that players who did not appear on the Conductor report (because they had no notes) never got their 2 initial deals