Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:23, comex wrote: >> I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the >> IBA for a total of 170zm. >> > Fails. The IBA is neither a player nor a contest and therefore can't own > cards. > > Perhaps we should create a new class of co

Re: DIS: Hand limits

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:18, comex wrote: >> Proto (AI=2): >> { >> Amend Rule 2259 (Basic Hand Limits) by inserting, before the last >> paragraph, the following paragraph: >> >> Special Deck Limit (SDL) is an entity switch, which is either >> null (default) or an in

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:23, comex wrote: > I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the > IBA for a total of 170zm. > Fails. The IBA is neither a player nor a contest and therefore can't own cards. Perhaps we should create a new class of contracts: AOE (Asset Owning En

Re: DIS: Hand limits

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 17:18, comex wrote: > Proto (AI=2): > { > Amend Rule 2259 (Basic Hand Limits) by inserting, before the last > paragraph, the following paragraph: > >      Special Deck Limit (SDL) is an entity switch, which is either >      null (default) or an index.  An entity with a non-n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: >> Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to >> cease to exist. > > email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN. While that is possibly one of the best answers to any questi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: >> Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to >> cease to exist. > > email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN. Only if we consider the existence of email part of the game

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > The whole system would be simpler if > either everything were a message, or, more practically, everything > were an action. Michael used to say (maybe first in a CFJ) "the only action we ever actually take is sending messages, everything else is just a fanta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM, comex wrote: > Indeed, I think Agora might be irrevocably broken if email were to > cease to exist. email would platonically start to exist again within 4 weeks, due to AIAN.

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:45 PM, comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern.  Though I'm not sure >> may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic "MAY publish" >> with no support issues - the pre-great-repeals

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/12 comex : > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern.  Though I'm not sure >> may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic "MAY publish" >> with no support issues - the pre-great-repeals legal system had a lot >> of

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern.  Though I'm not sure > may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic "MAY publish" > with no support issues - the pre-great-repeals legal system had a lot > of Kelly-influenced "if yo

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Pavitra wrote: >> comex wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: �1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish � � � multiple NoVs in the same week. >>> >>> Didn't forget.  Th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > comex wrote: >> I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the >> IBA for a total of 170zm. >> > INVALID; the IBA cannot own crops. Ugh, what's the point of restricting it to players and contests? Why contests? -- -c.

Re: DIS: Hand limits

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
comex wrote: > Proto (AI=2): > { > Amend Rule 2259 (Basic Hand Limits) by inserting, before the last > paragraph, the following paragraph: > > Special Deck Limit (SDL) is an entity switch, which is either > null (default) or an index. An entity with a non-null SDL is > known as

DIS: Re: BUS: Banking

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: > I deposit 2xDistrib-u-Matic, 1xDebate-o-Matic, 1xLocal Election in the > IBA for a total of 170zm. > INVALID; the IBA cannot own crops. -coppro

DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Secretary of Agriculture Report

2009-08-11 Thread Taral
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I harvest 2259 and 1 to turn a 2 ranch into a 1 ranch. O.o -- Taral "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

DIS: Hand limits

2009-08-11 Thread comex
The IBA's hand limit is currently zero. That means that all of its cards will be destroyed next month, which is a pretty urgent problem, but it's not clear to me how to fix it. There are a few options: - Do nothing. Everyone will have to get their cards out at the end of the month. Interesting

DIS: Re: BUS: A WARM WELCOME

2009-08-11 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/11 comex : > 2009/8/2 Edmond Dantes: >> I register. >> >> I have no idea what's going on. > > CoE: You may or may not be Edmond Dantes. > > 2009/8/3 yuri_dragon_17 : >> ฉันลงทะเบียน > > CoE: You may or may not be yuri_dragon_17. > > 2009/7/30 : >> I register. > > CoE: You may or may not be J

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > For an idea of how badly platonism isn't fail-safe, look up the Annabel > Crisis, due to which ratification was invented. The concept of ratification dates back to at least Rule 352: http://agora.qoid.us/rule/352#521323 and a general mechanism was protoed as early as 1998: ht

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Pavitra wrote: > comex wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> �1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish >>> � � � multiple NoVs in the same week. >> >> Didn't forget.  The extra NoVs were, IIRC, ILLEGAL but VALID

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 18:04 -0400, Pavitra wrote: > comex wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> �1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish > >> � � � multiple NoVs in the same week. > > > > Didn't forget. The extra NoVs were, IIRC, ILLEGAL bu

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> �1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish >> � � � multiple NoVs in the same week. > > Didn't forget. The extra NoVs were, IIRC, ILLEGAL but VALID (because > the Rule used MAY, which is nearly always a

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >  1) We somehow forgot about the rising support requirement to publish >       multiple NoVs in the same week. Didn't forget. The extra NoVs were, IIRC, ILLEGAL but VALID (because the Rule used MAY, which is nearly always a mistake) -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Secretary of Agriculture Report

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 15:09, Sean Hunt wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> Agoran Agricultural Association > > In the future, could you please post the report after the actions? Makes > it easier on us. > Yes sorry. I forgot I had actions to process until after I had sent the report. The current state

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo : > I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. >>> Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges o

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Which one was that, again? http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-busin...@agoranomic.org/msg13200.html -- -c.

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > comex wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/8/11 Sgeo : >> I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? > CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignment

DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Secretary of Agriculture Report

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > Agoran Agricultural Association In the future, could you please post the report after the actions? Makes it easier on us. Also, you are the Scorekeepor. How come you can't ensure your revocations of points succeed? This is an equitable contract; taking reparative action if ne

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/11 Sgeo : > I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly. >>> Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges o

DIS: nomic.bob-space.com feature update

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
By default the "Recent Events" section at the bottom of any report on http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx will display all events that have occurred in the past 30 days. However, you can add a time variable to the URL set to an integer to display a variable length of history. For example http:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6426-6437

2009-08-11 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 16:17 -0400, Pavitra wrote: > C-walker wrote: > >> 6432 O 1 1.0 Wooble � � � � � � �Bill of Attainder > > DENOUNCE COPPRO * the lesser of our voting limits, FOR * my voting > > limit if e doesn't cast a FOR or an AGAINST vote > > I already did the denouncing thing. Overcounte

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >>> 2009/8/11 Sgeo : I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? >>> CotC, majorly. >> >> Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges or >> something mor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM, ais523 wrote: >> Of course.  All of Agora depends on email to exist.  Contracts depend >> on language.  I agree with you that it doesn't mean that R1728 clause is >> wholly broken because nothing exists in a vacuum. > > The only places email is even mentioned in Ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread Taral
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > Origin IP is 64.17.129.3 or possibly 64.17.152.116. There were two > messages within the past 15 minutes, both with the subject "BobTHJ's > actions (automated)". Your origin IP is smh*.opentransfer.com. Only one was received at my end, the one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto-judgement

2009-08-11 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2009-08-09 at 16:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > > It says "depends on", not "depends only on". If one or more factors > > is necessary to preserve the existence of an entity, and one of them > > is the contract, then its existence depends on the contract.

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2009/8/11 Sgeo : >>> I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? >> CotC, majorly. > > Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges or > something more insidious? Because the former is just an o

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/8/11 Sgeo : >> I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? > > CotC, majorly. Do you mean overriding random assignments to get favorable judges or something more insidious? Because the former is just an office perk; like th

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/11 Sgeo : > I haven't been paying much attention. What offices have you scammed? CotC, majorly.

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Sgeo
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > ehird wrote: > >> 2009/8/11 Ed Murphy : >>> When you try to scam an office, you should expect reprisals >> >> Pot, kettle. > > What I meant to add (but may have mistakenly left out when I went on to > discuss hypotheticals) is that, yes, I have tr

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2009/8/11 Ed Murphy : >> When you try to scam an office, you should expect reprisals > > Pot, kettle. What I meant to add (but may have mistakenly left out when I went on to discuss hypotheticals) is that, yes, I have tried to scam offices myself (sometimes successfully) and I exp

Re: DIS: Proto: A familiar right

2009-08-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, comex wrote: > vii. Every person has the right to be formally penalized only > through well-defined and common judicial processes, and to > consider invalid any bills of attainder passed against em. Except, reading the text, the proposal in question just

DIS: Notes on last automated action e-mail

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
The two deals to Warrigal failed, please disregard (sorry, I forgot to remove this from the list of queued actions). The deal to ? (as suggested by the reasoning) is a deal to schwa. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > Origin IP is 64.17.129.3 or possibly 64.17.152.116. There were two > messages within the past 15 minutes, both with the subject "BobTHJ's > actions (automated)". > > Thanks, > BobTHJ I received one such message. -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:21, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:19, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:15, Taral wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: H. Distributor: the automated e-mails from my site don't seem to be reaching the li

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:15, Taral wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> H. Distributor: the automated e-mails from my site don't seem to be >> reaching the list. Do you have spam filtering of some sort active that >> may be catching them? > > I can look if you give me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:19, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:15, Taral wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> H. Distributor: the automated e-mails from my site don't seem to be >>> reaching the list. Do you have spam filtering of some sort active that

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA Actions

2009-08-11 Thread Taral
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > H. Distributor: the automated e-mails from my site don't seem to be > reaching the list. Do you have spam filtering of some sort active that > may be catching them? I can look if you give me a timestamp and origin IP or envelope return address

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/11 Ed Murphy : > When you try to scam an office, you should expect reprisals Pot, kettle.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Anarchist] Deck of Change Report

2009-08-11 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:02, Pavitra wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> I deputize for the Anarchist to publish the following: >> >> Deck of Change Report > > I'm surprised I don't have any Change cards, since my Salary has three > Changes. > You are owed three draws presently from the Deck of Change

Re: DIS: Proto: A familiar right

2009-08-11 Thread Taral
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:00 AM, comex wrote: > Proto: A familiar right (AI=3) Good idea, but I'm not a fan of that wording. -- Taral "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy-Anarchist] Deck of Change Report

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > I deputize for the Anarchist to publish the following: > > Deck of Change Report I'm surprised I don't have any Change cards, since my Salary has three Changes.

DIS: Proto: A familiar right

2009-08-11 Thread comex
Proto: A familiar right (AI=3) { Amend Rule 101 (The Rights of Agorans) by renumbering item vii. to viii., and adding the following item before it: vii. Every person has the right to be formally penalized only through well-defined and common judicial processes, and to cons

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: redundant election presence

2009-08-11 Thread Pavitra
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > Proposal: redundant election precence (II = 0, AI = 2) > { > In Rule 2154, remove: > > The set of candidates can change after the decision is > initiated. If the number of candidates falls below two, > PRESENT ceases to be a valid option. > >

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Yeah, but that's how the Rest penalty is more or less balanced; to do > a massive win manipulation that resets everyone's caste earns the rests > to get you a ways (or without mitigating circumstances) all the way out > the door.  Maybe add to t

Re: DIS: Question

2009-08-11 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > seems like it should be and (2) if this went through would it count as > a r101 penalty and block rests? (or vice versa). Quite likely; thanks for pointing that out. -coppro