Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Charles Reiss
On 9/10/09 4:32 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >> Ed Murphy wrote: >>> comex wrote: >>> Appeal 2670a Panelist: BobTHJ Decision: Panelist: Wo

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> comex wrote: >> >>> Appeal 2670a >>> >>> Panelist: BobTHJ >>> Decision: >>> >>> Panelist: Wooble >>> Decision: >>> >>> Panelist:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: comex wrote: Appeal 2670a Panelist: BobTHJ Decision: Panelist: Wooble Decision: Panelist: ehird Decision: I missed recordin

DIS: Re: OFF: [Justiciar] CFJ 2670a assigned to BobTHJ, Wooble, ehird

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > Appeal 2670a > > Panelist: BobTHJ > Decision: > > Panelist: Wooble > Decision: > > Panelist: ehird > Decision: I missed recording

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, comex wrote: so we're now waiting on the Justiciar to "deliver a judgement of either REMAND or REASSIGN, whichever e feels is most appropriate". I intend to deputise for em to do so. I don't think you can deputise for the non-office position of Justic

DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, comex wrote: so we're now waiting on the Justiciar to "deliver a judgement > of either REMAND or REASSIGN, whichever e feels is most appropriate". > > I intend to deputise for em to do so. I don't think you can deputise for the non-office position of Justiciar, even if the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > I opted for no judgment in hopes that the Justicar REASSIGNs to a new > judge who will give a true judgment. Yes it delays the process, but no > it doesn't permanently prevent a judgment. This deliberately subverts the appeals process by holdin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > I opted for no judgment in hopes that the Justicar REASSIGNs to a new > judge who will give a true judgment. Yes it delays the process, but no > it doesn't permanently prevent a judgment. Fair enough. In that case I recommend, as before, a nonzero but minimal punishment. si

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 14:35, Pavitra wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> I too would like to see a judgment, but I'll stop short of taking >> action that would permit what I believe to be a false judgment (even >> if it costs me rests). Since there are two seemingly valid >> interpretations, why not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > I wasn't doing more than proto-ing this at the moment. However, out of > curiosity, why? In the past there was made an argument that permitting > the CotC to choose among the eligible judges allows assigning more > experienced judges to more difficult cases, etc. However, Judicial

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > I agree completely, and that is exactly what I am trying to prevent in > this case. I believe that dependent actions ARE NOT broken. I have > interpreted the rule differently than comex. By preventing this > judgment from moving forward I have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > I too would like to see a judgment, but I'll stop short of taking > action that would permit what I believe to be a false judgment (even > if it costs me rests). Since there are two seemingly valid > interpretations, why not choose the one which is in the best interests > of Ag

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > On another note, if we were to adopt random judge selection from among > eligible candidates, favoring a case could be changed to 'double' the > chances of a paticular judge being selected. This would effectively > un-break the automatic selection when a single judge favors a c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 14:05, Ed Murphy wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: > >> Now that we have favoring, disfavoring, II, Hem&Hawing, and posture to >> section judicial eligibility perhaps its time to assign judges >> randomly from among those eligible. This would help prevent judicial >> scams and also li

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 13:56, Pavitra wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 13:36, Pavitra wrote: >>> Roger Hicks wrote: Arguments: I will accept whatever penalty the courts determine. In my defense I note that I am attempting to act within the best interests of t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > Now that we have favoring, disfavoring, II, Hem&Hawing, and posture to > section judicial eligibility perhaps its time to assign judges > randomly from among those eligible. This would help prevent judicial > scams and also limit the "CFJ to justicar, assign to self, judge as > des

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 13:36, Pavitra wrote: >> Roger Hicks wrote: >>> Arguments: I will accept whatever penalty the courts determine. In my >>> defense I note that I am attempting to act within the best interests >>> of the game (IMHO it is in the best interests of Agora for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 13:36, Pavitra wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> Arguments: I will accept whatever penalty the courts determine. In my >> defense I note that I am attempting to act within the best interests >> of the game (IMHO it is in the best interests of Agora for dependent >> actions to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > Arguments: I will accept whatever penalty the courts determine. In my > defense I note that I am attempting to act within the best interests > of the game (IMHO it is in the best interests of Agora for dependent > actions to not have been broken for quite some time, which is -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: > Now that we have favoring, disfavoring, II, Hem&Hawing, and posture to > section judicial eligibility perhaps its time to assign judges > randomly from among those eligible. This would help prevent judicial > scams and also limit the "CFJ to justicar, assi

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6476-6494

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 13:30, ais523 wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 14:37 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> 6486 D 1 2.0 BobTHJ              Audit Cleanup > AGAINST; Laundering is just too utterly difficult to prove here. Just because it may be difficult to prove doesn't mean it shouldn't be crimin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-09-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Roger Hicks wrote: > There is still dispute on that issue. Even if they are broken however > this shouldn't prevent the contract defined mimic of a dependent > action. Worst case it would still work using the common definition of > objection. Before the last para

DIS: Re: BUS: Possible tortoise

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:57, comex wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: >> CFJ:  It is legal to announce that CFJ 2670 was appealed. > > TRUE or FALSE, possibly UNDETERMINED, but not UNDECIDABLE.  It's > either one or the other, and either way the final outcome of CFJ 2670

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-09-10 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:03, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Having received no objections, I make the above contract change. > > Aren't dependent actions still broken? > > There is still dispute on that issue. Even if they are broken however this shouldn't prevent the contract defined mimic of a dependent

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement

2009-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
c-walker wrote: > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Charles > Walker wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> 2675: FALSE >> Accepting this judgement, I do the following: >> >> I act on behalf of the LNP to cause it to intend, with Agoran Consent, >> to register. >> >> I inten