Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 10:30 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Alex Smith wrote: There's been quite a bit of effort in this to shut down possible scams pre-emptively; in particular, I've tried my best to prevent anything similar to Fool's attempted scam, and any scams along the

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. Which definition? The non-existent one currently not in the rules, or one I proposed? I'll write a longer post on the cases, but

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. Which definition? The non-existent one currently not in the rules, or

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. Which definition? The

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 15:08 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: This is orthogonal to whether we can *prove* that a roll was fair versus having being interfered with (by rejecting certain outcomes, which doesn't fit my definition of fair), or what happens with delays (which is why I proposed a fix -

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: As for your proto, one thing I notice is that it defers to the Courts as to what is considered sufficiently random. I'd treat this as a dubious course of action even with the old, fair CFJ system. Our current intentionally biased system is probably a

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
Ok, the list. Unfair is shorthand for wrong probability. On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: A. An officer selects a random result, then communicates it to Agora. ok B. An officer selects two random results, then communicates one to Agora. ok if one chosen is

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread omd
In general, I'd tend to agree with G.. - No *platonic* failures need apply unless a truly verifiable form of randomness is used; in lieu of that, you can always cheat just by lying about a roll, so bad randomness would always be a SHALL violation. - The basic requirement is that you SHALL make a