Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread omd
In general, I'd tend to agree with G.. - No *platonic* failures need apply unless a truly verifiable form of randomness is used; in lieu of that, you can always cheat just by lying about a roll, so bad randomness would always be a SHALL violation. - The basic requirement is that you SHALL make a

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
Ok, the list. "Unfair" is shorthand for wrong probability. On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > > A. An officer selects a random result, then communicates it to > Agora. ok > B. An officer selects two random results, then communicates one to > Agora. ok if one cho

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > As for your proto, one thing I notice is that it defers to the Courts as > to what is considered sufficiently random. I'd treat this as a dubious > course of action even with the old, fair CFJ system. Our current > intentionally biased system is probably a

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 15:08 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This is orthogonal to whether we can *prove* that a roll was fair > versus having being interfered with (by rejecting certain outcomes, > which doesn't fit my definition of fair), or what happens with delays > (which is why I proposed a fix

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > > > Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the > > > current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. > > > > Which defi

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > > Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the > > current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. > > Which definition? The non-existent one currently not in the rul

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > Anyway, the upshot of all this is that despite looking reasonable, the > current definition of randomness simply doesn't work. Which definition? The non-existent one currently not in the rules, or one I proposed? I'll write a longer post on the cases, bu

Re: DIS: Proto: Organizations

2014-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 10:30 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014, Alex Smith wrote: > > There's been quite a bit of effort in this to shut down possible scams > > pre-emptively; in particular, I've tried my best to prevent anything > > similar to Fool's attempted scam, and any scams alon