Oh I got two of yours as spam and two of PSS's also as spam! Don't
know why. I think that made one of my old ADoP reports inaccurate,
because one of the registrar reports was listed as spam.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:51 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> Got that one, I think you're now good. Yeah, I'm on gmai
Got that one, I think you're now good. Yeah, I'm on gmail too lmao.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Rubin Stacy wrote:
> Literally how? Most of this list uses Gmail. Maybe it just ended up in your
> Spam folder? You probably already checked, but I'm just trying to come up
> with any reason this
Is this election being resolved soon?
-Aris
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:35 PM VJ Rada wrote:
> If all of the following are legal to vote I vote {Jeff Probst
> (survivor host), My mother, My father, Murphy's daughter Victoria from
> CFJ 2823, the current Prime Minister of Australia, Former Prime
>
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Create a rule titled “Careful what you wish for”, power 1, text: "All players
> designated as happy have their voting power reduced by one. When this joke has
> run its course, any player CAN cause this rule to repeal itself With 2
> Support.”
What is
Literally how? Most of this list uses Gmail. Maybe it just ended up in your
Spam folder? You probably already checked, but I'm just trying to come up
with any reason this would have failed because I'm tired of this mess.
On Sep 24, 2017 11:57 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote:
> I _still_ did not receive this
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I strongly encourage everyone to vote FOR both "Happiness has a cost."
> and "make CuddleBeam happy." Someone needs to teach em to stop
> annoying other people for no reason, and the penalty is very fitting.
I should say I particularly like Shiny love.
I strongly encourage everyone to vote FOR both "Happiness has a cost."
and "make CuddleBeam happy." Someone needs to teach em to stop
annoying other people for no reason, and the penalty is very fitting.
-Aris
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:59 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
> I vote AGAINST on all 3.
>
>
>
> --
You can't retract a proposal that has been distributed. We have no
equivalent of self-kills.
-Aris
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> I retract "make Cuddlebeam happy". The other one's useful in its own way.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>>
>> dangi
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
I _still_ did not receive this message. You're cursed.
How long before we notice someone has been playing for years, but we've
never received eir messages...
Greetings,
Ørjan.
I _still_ did not receive this message. You're cursed.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 22:50 -0600, Rubin Stacy wrote:
>> I made a new gmail so that I can play the game. Please respond so I
>> know that it's working now.
>
> I received this, at least.
>
dangit
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:07 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
> Agoran weeks begin midnight GMT monday. That's already happened a few
> hours ago, I think. And if it is a new week, I also get to point new
> fingers. I point not one but two fingers at CB for no good reason.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2
On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 22:50 -0600, Rubin Stacy wrote:
> I made a new gmail so that I can play the game. Please respond so I
> know that it's working now.
I received this, at least.
--
ais523
I made a new gmail so that I can play the game. Please respond so I know
that it's working now.
-- Trigon
I'm not getting Reuben's messages
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
>
> If the majority of players are convinced to attack someone then there will
>> not be enough people to punish the full attacking group.
>>
>
> But if they're a
Uh... I got your previous email, trigon, but not that one. Sorry.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
>
>> If the majority of players are convinced to attack someone then there will
>> not be enough people to punish the full attackin
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
A Checkered Card is a type of Card that is appropriate for
violations of the rules that directly and substantially result
in a Win. When a Checkered Card has been issued and not been
the subject of an open CFJ for seven days, [the win
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
If the majority of players are convinced to attack someone then there
will not be enough people to punish the full attacking group.
But if they're a majority, then they can just pass a proposal anyhow.
Greetings,
Ørjan.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> >While the Karma of the Community Chest is not equal to 0, the
> >Herald CAN and SHALL publish a Notice of Honour specifying the
> >Community Chest as a gainer or loser in place of a
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
It may be valuable to have some actions (voting on a Decision, for
example) be automatically disqualifying for some short amount of time (2
hours or so) to help prevent timing scams.
Won't work because of the time gap between end of voting and resolut
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Proto: "losing conditions"
Seems this isn't really popular, but I'll point out a couple bugs anyhow:
When the Rules state that a person or persons win the game,
and those persons are not Disqualified from winning as
described by the Rul
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
While the Karma of the Community Chest is not equal to 0, the
Herald CAN and SHALL publish a Notice of Honour specifying the
Community Chest as a gainer or loser in place of a player; to
be valid, it must be specified such that
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
I have started working on an economic simulation.
*Channeling Nick Bostrom...*
Greetings,
Ørjan.
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
If you don’t specifically call my attention to it, I can say with a
straight face that I believe that there are no unpunished violations,
but once someone brings it to my attention, that would be a lie.
There's a certain Bayesian problem here: If an a
I got this one, yup.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Trigon wrote:
> Noted. I thought that by not formatting anything in the email, it would just
> not format anything. Clearly I was wrong. I downloaded Thunderbird and set
> it to not use formatting, so this should work. Tell me if it doesn't.
Noted. I thought that by not formatting anything in the email, it would
just not format anything. Clearly I was wrong. I downloaded Thunderbird
and set it to not use formatting, so this should work. Tell me if it
doesn't.
On 9/24/2017 5:30 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Welcome to Agora, Trigon! Qu
>You can have a scam that uses a hidden, unintended loophole that is perfectly
legal when pointed out/CFJd, and you can have a scam that comes from, say,
an Officer violating a SHALL NOT.
Well, yeah. But then we can get into if it was a violation of their officer
SHALL NOTs or some other kind of c
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> A little note on the all-caps words we use all the time:
>
> CAN, POSSIBLE - the action is possible. For example, any player CAN vote
> on a proposal by announcement.
> MAY - doing so is not banned. This is often used to clarify something or
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> What constitutes a scam or not is also at times very subjective.
>
> The point is not what constitutes a scam. The point is what constitutes
> breaking the rules.
>
> You can have a scam that uses
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> What constitutes a scam or not is also at times very subjective.
The point is not what constitutes a scam. The point is what constitutes
breaking the rules.
You can have a scam that uses a hidden, unintended loophole that is
perfectly legal when point
ais is right, I'm also not receiving your emails. Are you the guy that
joined blognomic after finding this game on o's twitter account? Haha,
welcome.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> Welcome to Agora, Trigon! Quick etiquette thing: we generally prefer
> plain text email. Y
What constitutes a scam or not is also at times very subjective.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:25 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, yeah, I am fine. I don't know what happened there. Maybe I dropped
> something on a key and didn't notice,
Sorry, yeah, I am fine. I don't know what happened there. Maybe I dropped
something on a key and didn't notice, but sorry.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> wrote:
>
> I actually think tha
On Sep 24, 2017 7:19 PM, "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus" <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I actually think that we should continue to allow scammed wins because it
is one of the most interesting parts qqwerr of the
game./
Are you qwert alright there?
I actually think that we should continue to allow scammed wins because it is
one of the most interesting parts qqwerr of the game./
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
> On S
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> The problem is that most scams happen in one message, meaning there
> isn't time to card the violator before e scams a win. I might suggest
> some rule that makes winning via a deliberate rule violation
> automatically invalidate the win, but I don't kn
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> So, basically, karma is a kind of informal punishment/reward system based on
>> transfers that
>> anybody can access and change without objection? Depending on how much this
>> is used for
>> i
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
> So, basically, karma is a kind of informal punishment/reward system based on
> transfers that
> anybody can access and change without objection? Depending on how much this
> is used for
> in the future, I can see way too many instances where this is
Welcome to Agora, Trigon! Quick etiquette thing: we generally prefer
plain text email. Your email software probably has a setting for it
somewhere.
-Aris
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
> Hey nerds! After reading through the public archives for a little over a
> week to de
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> Proto: "losing conditions"
>
> [Right now, it's probably worth it to break the rules to win, because wins
> are far more tangible and lasting than cards. Let's change the equation...]
>
>
> Amend Rule 2449 (Winning the Game) by replacing:
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> I don't have the time right now to get a better judgment out. I
>> thought I was basically just going with the first of you three
>> reasonable interpretations? Anyhow, I'm going to make this the
Keep imo.
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> I don't have the time right now to get a better judgment out. I
>> thought I was basically just going with the first of you three
>> reasonable interpretations? Anyhow, I'm going to ma
I’m generally against mechanisms that are in theory based on violations of the
rules but have no actual connection to the “actual” gamestate; In my opinion it
should be IMPOSSIBLE to card someone who has not violated a SHALL. If we did
that, CFJ judgement would simply happen via CFJ (and there’s
So, basically, karma is a kind of informal punishment/reward system based on
transfers that anybody can access and change without objection? Depending on
how much this is used for in the future, I can see way too many instances where
this is exploited purely to attack one or more people. You cou
On Sun, 2017-09-24 at 10:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > Hey nerds! After reading through the public archives for a little
> over a week to decide whether or not I should join, I decided that I
> should.
> >
> > -- Reuben Staley
>
> Welcome! Do you
I don't think i feel as strongly as CB but I do feel similarly. Both issues
would be fixed with a) decentralizing (my prefered format is similar to a
CFJ: separate the finger pointer, referee, and judge) cards and b) allowing
forgiveness without apology (perhaps as Agoran Consent). To make up for t
Would make tactical card-flinging (tactically exaggerating other people's
wrong-doings for example) a thing and I feel very queasy about giving our
subjective things that kind of power.
>Until e publishes such an apology, as a penalty, the bad sport is
disqualified from winning,
I'm also very aga
It may be valuable to have some actions (voting on a Decision, for example) be
automatically disqualifying for some short amount of time (2 hours or so) to
help prevent timing scams.
Gaelan
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
> Proto: "losing conditions"
>
> [Right now
Proto: "losing conditions"
[Right now, it's probably worth it to break the rules to win, because wins
are far more tangible and lasting than cards. Let's change the equation...]
Amend Rule 2449 (Winning the Game) by replacing:
When the Rules state that a person or persons win the game,
Hm. I intended for my name to display as "Trigon" as that is the name I am
called by in other Nomic Circles... oh well. If my name keeps showing up as my
real name, I'll just be called by Reuben.
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:59, Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
>
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I don't have the time right now to get a better judgment out. I
> thought I was basically just going with the first of you three
> reasonable interpretations? Anyhow, I'm going to make this the
> judgment. If the Agoran public is unhappy, they can REMAN
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Would you object if I pended this for you?
>
> -Aris
I noticed a tiny bug, give me a few min. Then, don't mind, much appreciated!
I don't have the time right now to get a better judgment out. I
thought I was basically just going with the first of you three
reasonable interpretations? Anyhow, I'm going to make this the
judgment. If the Agoran public is unhappy, they can REMAND or REMIT
it, otherwise the judgment will stand. I
Would you object if I pended this for you?
-Aris
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> I submit the following Proposal, AI-1, "Such is Karma", co-author 天火狐:
>
> --
>
> Create the following Rule, 'Such is Kar
A little note on the all-caps words we use all the time:
CAN, POSSIBLE - the action is possible. For example, any player CAN vote on a
proposal by announcement.
MAY - doing so is not banned. This is often used to clarify something or make
an exception to another rule. For example, normally you
"default is otherwise default" should be "default is otherwise specified"
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> Wait, where’s the typo?
>
> > On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Crap:
> >> If 0 is in the specified values for a numerical switch and no
Wait, where’s the typo?
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
> Crap:
>> If 0 is in the specified values for a numerical switch and no
>> default is otherwise default, 0 is the default for that switch.
>
>
> I withdraw my proposal
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote:
> Hey nerds! After reading through the public archives for a little over a week
> to decide whether or not I should join, I decided that I should.
>
> -- Reuben Staley
Welcome! Do you prefer "Reuben" as your in-game nickname or something
different?
(
It's in Rule 1728 and 2124, but those rules are a little confusingly
written.
If the rules say you can do something "with N support", then you make
an "announcment of intent" announcing what you intend to do, and you
have to say you need N support to do it (if N isn't specified, it
defaults to
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> As there were errors in my last report, here's a draft of my next one.
> Please try not to make unnecessary changes/additions before I publish
> the real report tomorrow.
Missing my pended proposal "Switch no-ops":
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bi
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I will make this judgment formal tomorrow if no one has any
> objections/corrections to it.
>
> -Aris
>
> ---
> CFJ 3557 (on Motion to Reconsider)
I suspect we have a fundamental disagreement on Rules reading, so at this
point,
the most appropriate
Yeah.
-- Forwarded message -
From: ATMunn .
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 at 17:37
Subject: Re: DIS: Various questions
To: Agora Nomic discussions (DF)
I see.
When something says that you can do something "with support," does that
mean that you say you're going to do something, peopl
I see.
When something says that you can do something "with support," does that
mean that you say you're going to do something, people decide whether or
not to support you, and if there's enough support it happens?
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.sc
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:41 AM, ATMunn . wrote:
>
> A few more questions about offices:
>
> When do elections happen? Just whenever the ADoP feels like starting one?
Whenever someone starts one with either support, vac
A few more questions about offices:
When do elections happen? Just whenever the ADoP feels like starting one?
How exactly does deputisation work? Do you just say "I deputize for this
office" and if nobody objects, you get the office? The rule on that is
kinda tricky to understand.
On Sat, Sep 23
Oh you meant sidestep on the part of the cardee. I thought you meant from the
perspective of the referee.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> Just object/get an objection lol
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 a
Just object/get an objection lol
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> How?
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 23, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
I have started working on an economic simulation.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>
>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:04 AM, VJ Rada wrote:
>>
>>>
How?
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> Without objection is too easy to sidestep
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Aris Merchant
> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:51 PM Owen Jacobson wrot
As there were errors in my last report, here's a draft of my next one.
Please try not to make unnecessary changes/additions before I publish
the real report tomorrow.
-Aris
---
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from t
I will make this judgment formal tomorrow if no one has any
objections/corrections to it.
-Aris
---
CFJ 3557 (on Motion to Reconsider)
[Addendum to my previous verdict, available here [1]]
There is some question as to whether precedent supports the idea that
"SHALL" implies "CAN by announcement
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