Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 16:28, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Actually, I think "at will" is a very broken concept here. The point of > it in R2551 is to allow the transfer of assets that a player CAN transfer > however e likes anyway. However, the whole point of zombie security is > t

DIS: Re: BUS: Is interpretation substantive?

2020-02-18 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 14:18, James Cook wrote: > Narrow comment: "except its interpretation" would make more sense to > me than "but does not include its interpretation"; the latter feels > like a bit of a contradiction (and is longer). > > Broader comment: Any reason for this proposal, beyond tr

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] State of the Bench

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:53 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > I’m happy to be an interested judge and take a heavier-than-usual load Thanks! And thanks to everyone who's volunteered so far, I'll get assignments out over the next day. > do I have to do anything specific to get out of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Re-renumbered Index: Proposals 8322-8341

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 4:52 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> 8323* Jason3.0 Secure Ribbons > AGAINST. I think it's already de-facto secured because you have to modify > the Ribbons rule to add ribbons. The text: "The types of Ribbon, and the > methods of obtaining them, ar

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 11:56 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/20 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a >>> player is to set that zombi

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:55 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps relevant: CFJ 3762 [0], which concluded both that a person CAN > perform a certain action and that that action is IMPOSSIBLE. > > [0]: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3762 H. I feel like that ca

DIS: Re: [CFJ] Did I initiate a zombie auction? (Re: BUS: Judgment in CFJ 3793)

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> CFJ: Falsifian initiated a zombie auction this month. If I don't hear comments to the contrary soon, I'm going to assume this was TRUE and announce the end of the auction. Mostly called the CFJ to see if anyone spots bugs in my reasoning. I might even withdraw the CFJ if people are generally in

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] De-secure Black Ribbons

2020-02-18 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2020-02-18 at 15:24 -0500, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: De-secure Black Ribbons > > Author: Jason > > Co-authors: > > AI: 3.0 > > > { > > Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing the text "This rule does not > specify any methods of

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:00 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a >> player is to set that zombie's master switch to that player, and >> Agora CAN transfer zom

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:49 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/18/2020 11:43 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: For the purpose of

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 11:43 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >>> For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a >>> player is to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Blots here! Come get your Blots!

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:40, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/20 2:27 PM, James Cook wrote: > > You can use the word "grant" as defined by rule 2577. E.g. "A person > > CAN grant emself a specified number of blots by announcement.". > > > Sure, but I don't think that's worth retra

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> For the purpose of such a auction, Agora CAN transfer zombies at > will, and when Agora would transfer a zombie to a player, this > rule sets the zombie's master switch to that player. > > - Falsifian Does R2125 mean that I need to state an explicit mechanism here? E.g. "this r

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a > > player is to set that zombie's master switch to that player, and > > Agora CA

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Blots here! Come get your Blots!

2020-02-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/18/20 2:27 PM, James Cook wrote: > You can use the word "grant" as defined by rule 2577. E.g. "A person > CAN grant emself a specified number of blots by announcement.". Sure, but I don't think that's worth retracting and resubmitting the proposal. -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Blots here! Come get your Blots!

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 22:23, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > A person CAN, by announcement, create a specified number of blots in > eir possession. You can use the word "grant" as defined by rule 2577. E.g. "A person CAN grant emself a specified number of blots by announcement.".

DIS: Re: BUS: Is interpretation substantive?

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 19:12, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: Unsubstantive interpretation (AI=3) > {{{ > Amend Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability) by replacing 'A > "substantive" aspect of an instrument is any aspect that affects the > instrument's operation.' with 'A "substan

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/18/2020 10:45 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > For the purpose of such a auction, to transfer a zombie to a > player is to set that zombie's master switch to that player, and > Agora CAN transfer zombies by willing it to be done. Did I miss a new definition of

Re: DIS: [proto] Fix zombie auctions

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 17:07, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 14:04, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > As I pointed out in response to Murphy's "Fix Auctions" proposal, I > > don't think it works, because master is secured at power 2. > > > > How about

Re: DIS: [proto] Retroactive Events: a refactor of ratification

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 17:34, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 11:17, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > This is a counter-proto to Alexis's "Ratification by Legal Fiction", in > > the sense that I think it also fixes the problem of ratification > > failin

Re: DIS: reply-to headers always pointing to this list

2020-02-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > At least 2 or 3 times, someone's actually written a FAQ, and everyone > > there at the time learns what they need to by editing/commenting on > > it, then by the time someone else need