Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:33 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 2:28 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Also, you've got a bunch of zombie protections, but one thing that's not > >> obvious is that having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > > auction has the following lots: > > This means the Treasuror will frequently have mult

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 6:45 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 6:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 5/21/2020 5:57 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: WILL: The person CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, act as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 6:11 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 5:57 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >> WILL: The person CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, act as > >> described. > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 5:57 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> WILL: The person CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, act as >> described. >> >> OR >> >> WILL: The person CAN and SHALL act as described. >> >> OR EVEN >> >> WILL

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > WILL: The person CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a timely fashion, act as > described. > > OR > > WILL: The person CAN and SHALL act as described. > > OR EVEN > > WILL: The person CAN and SHALL so act. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Contest: Rule Golf] Re: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/20 8:31 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > lol, I post the below indicated rules text in response, so someone else to > win has to go lower than the original. Nefarious plan: nobody else make a submission so that G. SHALL perform the IMPOSSIBLE action of transfering coins to emse

Re: DIS: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 5:10 PM, grok via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm not 100% convinced that having a hybrid keyword is necessary when two > non-hybrid keywords effectively explain it and it only comes up in the > rules once, but I think it makes enough sense if WILL gets further use in > the rules later

Re: DIS: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 4:55 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > I like the idea of having something fill this role, but I’m not sure that > WILL is an intuitive option. Why did you choose WILL? > Open to any options, the shorter the better. Usage justification: if you say to someone you emp

Re: DIS: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread grok via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020, 6:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On May 21, 2020, at 19:28, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >  > > Proto: Agora Willing > > > > Amend Rule 215 (Mother, May I?) by appending: > >

Re: DIS: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> On May 21, 2020, at 19:28, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > >  > Proto: Agora Willing > > Amend Rule 215 (Mother, May I?) by appending: > 9. WILL: The person CAN perform the described action by > announcement once after the specified conditions occur, and >

DIS: Agora willing

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: Agora Willing Amend Rule 215 (Mother, May I?) by appending: 9. WILL: The person CAN perform the described action by announcement once after the specified conditions occur, and SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the specified conditions occur. [Sample

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Ok I've been through this a few times - specifically mentioning technical flaws only (not game-balance)... On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > Cards are a type of asset with a corresponding Product. Products are > also assets. The types of Cards and their correspond

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:51 PM nch via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:33:12 PM CDT Aris Merchant via > agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > > > > wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:42 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23:25 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the >>> lots >>> as e chooses. The minim

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:23:25 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the > > lots > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:28 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The >> >>> auction has the following lots: >> Th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the > > lots > > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. > > I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:21 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/20 5:18 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Not the sort of danger I prefer, it just leads to messes. >> >> Especially because, the way I'm reading it, the lots must include a single >> type of asset if at least one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:13:43 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > > > auction has the following lots: > This means the Treasuror will frequently

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > The Treasuror is the auctioneer for this auction, and may order the lots > as e chooses. The minimum bid for this auction is 1 coin. I'm afraid this part *is* broken though. I'm sure Trigon isn't cool with being the auctioneer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/20 5:18 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Not the sort of danger I prefer, it just leads to messes. > > Especially because, the way I'm reading it, the lots must include a single > type of asset if at least one exists. > > Right now we have changed the assets rule so that anythi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 2:12 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: >>> * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and Found >>> Department, if any. >> >> I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:01:12 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and > > Found > > > > Department, if any. > > I'm concerned about allow

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > Once a week the Treasuror CAN and SHOULD initiate an auction. The > auction has the following lots: This means the Treasuror will frequently have multiple auctions running at once - Trigon have you weighed in on that pacing? Als

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:02 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and Found > > Department, if any. > > I'm concerned about allowing the hijacking and aucti

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.2

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 1:08 PM, nch via agora-business wrote: > * all of any single type of asset currently own by the Lost and Found > Department, if any. I'm concerned about allowing the hijacking and auction of literally any asset (including contract assets or whatever) that end up in the

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:23 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/21/2020 8:59 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/21/20 6:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> > >> For this > >> decision, the vote collector

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3831 enters the mootiest moot ever

2020-05-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 5/20/2020 2:49 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 01:31, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > >>> On May 19, 2020, at 21:27, nch wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:07:27 PM

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:41:02 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/2020 9:32 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Sometimes I think it'd be interesting if we more often did gamestate > > changing proposals with little to no rule changes in them. For instance > > we coul

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 9:32 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Sometimes I think it'd be interesting if we more often did gamestate > changing proposals with little to no rule changes in them. For instance > we could do things like: > > "Destroy all coins in every players possession. For each player, e

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:33 AM nch via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:20:21 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Also realize, if you're going the Decision route, there's nothing > > currently stopping punishment proposals

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:20:21 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Also realize, if you're going the Decision route, there's nothing > currently stopping punishment proposals, and even if this rule is > implemented there's nothing stopping someone from changing the AI > threshold

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/21/2020 8:59 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/21/20 6:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> For this >> decision, the vote collector is the Judge, the options are GUILTY, >> NOT GUILTY, REJECT, and PRESENT, and the

Re: DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/20 6:59 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Title: High Crimes and Treason > AI: 1.7 > Author: P.S.S. > Coauthors: Aris, Jason > > Create a new rule, "High Crimes", with the following text: > > A high crime is any crime specified as being class 4

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3831 enters the mootiest moot ever

2020-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/20/2020 2:49 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 01:31, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >>> On May 19, 2020, at 21:27, nch wrote: >>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:07:27 PM CDT Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>> wrote: I vote REMAND. >>> >>> Why

DIS: Re: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 6:59 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > > > Title: High Crimes and Treason > AI: 1.7 > Author: P.S.S. > Coauthors: Aris, Jason > > Create a new rule, "High Crimes", with the following text: > > A high crime is any crime specified as being class 4 or gr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:19:27 AM CDT you wrote: > Surely I can just say "CAN pay X to Y"? 2579 defines 'pay' so I think it > triggers it sufficiently clearly (and the usage is intuitive anyway). Clarification here: 2579 doesn't define 'pay' but it talks about payment. The only fee-based acti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Sets v1.0

2020-05-21 Thread nch via agora-discussion
I'm going to resubmit and fix most of the things you mentioned, but as argued below I don't overall agree that "by announcement" would break the clauses. On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:51:47 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:05 PM nch via agora-business

DIS: Protos: Referral and High Crimes

2020-05-21 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
Title: High Crimes and Treason AI: 1.7 Author: P.S.S. Coauthors: Aris, Jason Create a new rule, "High Crimes", with the following text: A high crime is any crime specified as being class 4 or greater. The Referee CANNOT levy the Cold Hand of Justice to punish a high crime,