Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
Alexis wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > > AI: 3 > > > Chamber: Efficiency > > > > > > Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 00:35, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > > AI: 3 > > > Chamber: Efficiency > >

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2020-02-01 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 19:22, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > > I submit a proposal as follows: > > > > Title: Unrepetition > > AI: 3 > > Chamber: Efficiency > > > Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first in the batch so that the > other prop

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 7:20 PM, James Cook wrote: > I submit a proposal as follows: > > Title: Unrepetition > AI: 3 > Chamber: Efficiency Perhaps the H. Promotor should order this first in the batch so that the other proposals have a definite ruleset to work with? If not, I'll try to remember to resolve it fi

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2020-02-01 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Sat, 1 Feb 2020 at 00:10, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't > succeed? I've lost track. > > In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first > succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratificat

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2020-02-01 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 2/1/20 12:09 AM, James Cook wrote: > Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't > succeed? I've lost track. > > In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first > succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I > tried to work out what

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2020-01-31 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Are we sure the first attempt at resolving the decisions didn't succeed? I've lost track. In case we're a the situation like Alexis outlined, where the first succeeds platonically and this one succeeds via self-ratification, I tried to work out what happened if these proposals were enacted twice.

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2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:10 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/30/2020 9:03 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion > > wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > >> wrote:

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2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:23 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> I went back and forth on that as a possibility - I don't have a strong reason >> so maybe a SHALL is best - the only issue being what Alexis pointed out, that >> if we want (as

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2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Anyway, I like G.'s proposal, but why even require a reasonably >> accurate tally for it to be self-ratifying? Just require >> decision+outcome, and make the rest SHALL. > > I went back and forth on that as a possibility - I don't have a strong reason

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2020-01-30 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:20 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 1/30/2020 9:06 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: > >> Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: > >> > >> * An announcement resolving a decision does

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:06 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: >> Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: >> >> * An announcement resolving a decision doesn't need to specify >> anything other than the decision --- not even the outcome. Tha

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2020-01-30 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 12:10, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Unless I'm misreading your suggestion, wouldn't this leave us open to saying > weeks/months/years later, if a deep error turns up, "since that result was > posted incorrectly, we've been playing under the wrong rules for a whi

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2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 9:03 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Proto: "Pragmatic decisions", AI-3 >>> >>> Amend R208 by replacing: >>> 4

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 17:03, James Cook wrote: > Here's a somewhat different way we could do it: > > * An announcement resolving a decision doesn't need to specify > anything other than the decision --- not even the outcome. That causes > the decision to resolve to the (platonically) correct outc

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2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 16:55, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Proto: "Pragmatic decisions", AI-3 > > > > Amend R208 by replacing: > > 4. It specifies the outcome, as described elsewhere, and, if there > >

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2020-01-30 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 10:32, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Proto: "Pragmatic decisions", AI-3 > > Amend R208 by replacing: > 4. It specifies the outcome, as described elsewhere, and, if there > was more than one valid option, provides a tally of the voters' >

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2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 7:47 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 15:43, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: >>> Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My >>> understanding is that you're not publishing a report

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2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 15:43, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: > > Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My > > understanding is that you're not publishing a report here; you're > > re-taking some by-announcement actions in case you

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 10:21 AM, James Cook wrote: > Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My > understanding is that you're not publishing a report here; you're > re-taking some by-announcement actions in case your first attempt at > those actions failed. > > - Falsifian You're probably r

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2020 7:21 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 14:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Draft revision, since this is complicated: >> >> All of these CoEs are accepted. >> >> Revised resolutions for 8292-8307: > > Shouldn't you also say that you

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2020-01-30 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 at 14:34, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > Draft revision, since this is complicated: > > All of these CoEs are accepted. > > Revised resolutions for 8292-8307: Shouldn't you also say that you resolve these decisions? My understanding is that you're not publishing a re

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-30 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/30/20 8:32 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > Alright, fine. CoE on each resolution for a proposal with number not > less than 8292, as well as 8290: they're wrong. For the next seven > days, I pledge not to deny any of these CoEs. > > Updated assessments coming... eventually. I have to update my > autom

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2020-01-29 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 22:23, omd via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business > wrote: > > [Note that the existing "more than one option" text is basically > > tautologically true and practically useless anyway. P

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2020-01-29 Thread omd via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > [Note that the existing "more than one option" text is basically > tautologically true and practically useless anyway. PRESENT is an option, > so only a decision with no other options would only have one. And even if > we chan

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-29 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Erm... you might want to check this list again. You have it going 3, 4, 6, 7. -Aris On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 5:52 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 13:45, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>