DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
As herald, I believe this has failed and these have been objected to, and my reports will reflect this. I suggest all players leave VJ Rada to call any CFJ otherwise, as the burden of proof is on the scammer. On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I resolve the fifteenth below intent. > > De

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-26 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/23/17 20:35, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> This is Cuddlebeam-esque and I'm ashamed of myself. But I >> will now copy and paste "Without objection, I intend to win by >> apathy", until there is thousands of  copies of that text, each of >> which is a seper

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: assigned to _a_ judge, singular, implies or dictates only one judge at once. I don't think it does, especially in the context of the last part of the sentence. It's perfectly readable as just an existential. When a CFJ is open and assigned to a j

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread VJ Rada
assigned to _a_ judge, singular, implies or dictates only one judge at once. On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> And if there happen to ever to be two judges assigned to a case, the >> following: >>At any time, each CFJ is e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > And if there happen to ever to be two judges assigned to a case, the > following: >At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or >assigned exactly one judgement. > says nothing about, if two judgements are delivered, if th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Interestingly, it doesn't say that assigning yourself the judge using certiorari removes the previous judge from the case, or relieve the first judge from the duty of delivering judgement. There's no explicit indication I can find that cases can't have more than one judge. The Arbitor doesn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread VJ Rada
Yeah, it's for "open cases" not unassigned ones. On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> Oh sorry, I confused certiorari with the "without 3 objections" method in >> R991. >> >> Folks, if someone end up wanting to call a CFJ on this,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh sorry, I confused certiorari with the "without 3 objections" method in R991. Folks, if someone end up wanting to call a CFJ on this, make an Agency for me with this exact purpose and I can have it called and assigned in the same message. You'll need

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oh sorry, I confused certiorari with the "without 3 objections" method in R991. Folks, if someone end up wanting to call a CFJ on this, make an Agency for me with this exact purpose and I can have it called and assigned in the same message. On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > No no, I was jus

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I have aimed to make this response as concise as possible. 我反对。我反对。 Like others, I'm doubtful that this works, but possibly for a different reason. Although you may have many enough "我反对"s, _each_ of them is an action that is ambiguous as to which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread VJ Rada
No no, I was just saying what I want to do or will do. That was not a formal statement of intent and it doesn't need to be. On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: >> I intend to use certiorari to >> >> assign CFJs coming out of this to mysel

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: To be honest - I only did it cuz I'm unsure if subject line only actions, even if noted by the rules, even work. I really cannot see why giving effect to subject lines shouldn't work when a rule (2463) _explicitly_ mentions it. I still don't think rule 246

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: This is Cuddlebeam-esque and I'm ashamed of myself. But I will now copy and paste "Without objection, I intend to win by apathy", until there is thousands of copies of that text, each of which is a seperate action. Under the precedent of several CFJs, [snip

DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I intend to use certiorari to > >> assign CFJs coming out of this to myself. A side note on this scam: this part is likely ineffective as "CFJs coming out of this" does not (by R1729) "unambiguously and clearly specify the action", because you're not referr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Gaelan Steele
I copypasted his message and find-replaced. Gaelan > On Sep 23, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > If Gaelan has missed out at least one "I object", a win for VJ will slip > through the cracks. > >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 at 23:34, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Cuddle Beam
If Gaelan has missed out at least one "I object", a win for VJ will slip through the cracks. On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 at 23:34, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you paste the basic 我反

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > If you paste the basic 我反对。 string into Google translate, it auto-detects > > Chinese > > and spits out "I Object." It's pretty much as clear a translation as you > > can get > > i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > If you paste the basic 我反对。 string into Google translate, it auto-detects > Chinese > and spits out "I Object." It's pretty much as clear a translation as you can > get > if you're going to allow that sort of thing at all. That expl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Josh T
I mean, I guess that's helpful, but I was mostly humoring Gaelan on em questioning my remark about how I don't think VJ Rada's sentence is a deceleration or successful action because "it doesn't jive with my understanding of language which Agora recognizes" (especially since Agora *doesn't* recogni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
I agree it's just as reasonable either way - point is that you want stick with a consistent interpretation, and the last time it came up, that was the decision. Perfectly valid to propose an explicit clarifying line to R478 and put it to a vote. I would personally always forget to look for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
If you paste the basic 我反对。 string into Google translate, it auto-detects Chinese and spits out "I Object." It's pretty much as clear a translation as you can get if you're going to allow that sort of thing at all. On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote: > I can't quite explain it. Could you be s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Cuddle Beam
Imo its pretty subjective because it's not standardized as other stuff. I find it just as reasonable for them to count as not. Maybe we could make a rule/sentence on what constitutes a valid message to a-b. On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 at 22:00, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrot

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > I don't think the rules apply only to content within the body of an > email: we already know the subject line counts in some cases. I don't > see which rule contradicts the rules applying to the subject line. I > do note that the rule does ask for Agoran Cons

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Gaelan Steele
I registered with a subject line, but that’s registration. > On Sep 23, 2017, at 12:50 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I don't think the rules apply only to content within the body of an > email: we already know the subject line counts in some cases. I don't > see which rule contradicts the rules applying

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread VJ Rada
I don't think the rules apply only to content within the body of an email: we already know the subject line counts in some cases. I don't see which rule contradicts the rules applying to the subject line. I do note that the rule does ask for Agoran Consent (2 of it, even), so you might need to note

DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread VJ Rada
This is Cuddlebeam-esque and I'm ashamed of myself. But I will now copy and paste "Without objection, I intend to win by apathy", until there is thousands of copies of that text, each of which is a seperate action. Under the precedent of several CFJs, shorthand actions do apply, but not when it is