DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/9/18 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: Arguments: So far there hasn't actually been a situation that needs resolving. I recommend a null judgement. (As comex says, this CFJ was submitted for anti-scam reasons (if a situation arises in the future a judgement to reverse it could then be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-18 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/9/18 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: Arguments: So far there hasn't actually been a situation that needs resolving. I recommend a null judgement. (As comex says, this CFJ was submitted for anti-scam reasons (if a situation arises in the future a judgement to reverse it

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/9/17 comex com...@gmail.com: I initiate an equity case with respect to the Cookie Jar.* (...) *Parties: Murphy, Billy Pilgrim, coppro, Tiger, OscarMeyr, ehird, ais523, Quazie, Human Point Two, Yally, BobTHJ, allispaul, comex, Wooble, c-walker I left the Cookie Jar as a response to the

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: rule 1728 makes it clear that it's effectively redefining what intent is in Agoran terms, from the plain English example. No it doesn't. It says announced intent, i.e., to publish a statement that one intends something. It's a very different construction than defining an action;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 22:33 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: 2009/9/17 comex com...@gmail.com: I initiate an equity case with respect to the Cookie Jar.* (...) *Parties: Murphy, Billy Pilgrim, coppro, Tiger, OscarMeyr, ehird, ais523, Quazie, Human Point Two, Yally, BobTHJ, allispaul, comex,

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: Further arguments: {{{ A person SHALL NOT make a public statement on a matter relevant to the rules unless e reasonably believes that it is true (or, in the case of a public statement that one performs an action, that is effective). }}} Even if I had

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
ais523 wrote: Support is defined in much the same terms as intent by the rules; and it at least is clearly an announcement, due to the MMI terms used to describe it (a rule saying that something CANNOT be done under certain circumstances implies that that thing is an action due to the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread comex
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: (An even more surprising example: suppose we abolished the proposal system and instead had a change the rules via Agoran Consent rule. Oops, rule 1698 stops this; intent isn't an action, so there's no combination of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I vaguely remember a CFJ semi-recently about publishing NoVs, and whether someone was naturally capable of publishing an NoV since it was just a block of text and people can publish things, or if an otherwise unremarkable block of text was infused with the NoV-nature by the

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, ais523 wrote: (For instance, suppose I had, instead, said I think that 4 days from now it might be a good idea to amend the Cookie Jar into a mousetrap; would that be intent? Pretty much any sane Agoran would say no, thus showing that a statement of intent (in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: It's not R1728 intent unless you specify the method and value for N for each method. If you do state Method and N, however, you've begun a legal process called a dependent action. You've become an initiator. It is a multipart action, but starting the process and taking

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial counter-scamming

2009-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Pavitra wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: It's not R1728 intent unless you specify the method and value for N for each method. If you do state Method and N, however, you've begun a legal process called a dependent action. You've become an initiator. It is a multipart action,