Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-08 Thread Arkady English
On 6 November 2011 22:24, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 17:22 -0500, Tanner Swett wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I create a Promise with the following text, and then cash it: {{I cash this Promise. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-07 Thread Pavitra
On 11/06/2011 09:11 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: In general I think a better question is whether you can evaluate complex expressions with promises without requiring complicated naming schemes or complicated individual messages that could be thrown out as unclear, relying instead on emergent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-07 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 13:42 -0600, Pavitra wrote: On 11/06/2011 09:11 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: In general I think a better question is whether you can evaluate complex expressions with promises without requiring complicated naming schemes or complicated individual messages that could be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-07 Thread Sean Hunt
n Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 14:48, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You can't use destruction of promises, because you can't create promises in other promises, and so this wouldn't be able to run forever. Yes you can. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-07 Thread Pavitra
On 11/07/2011 01:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: n Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 14:48, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You can't use destruction of promises, because you can't create promises in other promises, and so this wouldn't be able to run forever. Yes you can. Yup, see for example the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:53 -0500, Sean Hunt wrote: n Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 14:48, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: You can't use destruction of promises, because you can't create promises in other promises, and so this wouldn't be able to run

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Pavitra
On 11/06/2011 03:19 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 15:44, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 13:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: With 2 Support I do so. I announce the start of Delve 4 with these (same) Rules selected: Rule 2335 (Judge Points)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Pavitra
On 11/06/2011 03:19 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: The actions in this post constitute a Delve. I create a Promise with the following text, and then cash it: {{I cash this Promise. This Promise is not destroyed by being cashed.}} I CFJ {Agora is stuck in an infinite loop.} I intend, without

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 17:22 -0500, Tanner Swett wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I create a Promise with the following text, and then cash it: {{I cash this Promise. This Promise is not destroyed by being cashed.}} I CFJ {Agora is stuck

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: ehird, I have a mission for you. Are non-self-destroying Promises, plus Promise transfer, Turing-complete? I submit the following promise, which will be called S: {{I submit the following promise, where X is the promise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Pavitra
This entire thing is hypothetical because it was posted to a-d. Tanner L. Swett wrote: I submit the following promise, which will be called S: {{C I submit the following promise, where X is the promise specified: {{D I submit the following promise, where Y is the promise specified:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I cash promise S, specifying promise I. Call the resulting promise C. This submits a second copy of S, and assigns C as a synonym for S. (Note that promises with the same text, author, and conditions are fungible.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread Pavitra
On 11/06/2011 08:27 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: I cash promise S, specifying promise I. Call the resulting promise C. This submits a second copy of S, and assigns C as a synonym for S. (Note that promises with the same

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-11-06 Thread comexk
In general I think a better question is whether you can evaluate complex expressions with promises without requiring complicated naming schemes or complicated individual messages that could be thrown out as unclear, relying instead on emergent behavior from a series of individually simple

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 14:59, Pavitra celestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/26/2011 01:52 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 14:39, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: SPELUNKING THE RULES CONTEST  After some perusal of the July/August archives, I am not finding  

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Pavitra
On 10/26/2011 03:49 PM, ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 13:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: With 2 Support I do so. I announce the start of Delve 4 with these (same) Rules selected: Rule 2335 (Judge Points) Rule 2205 (Judicial Arguments and Evidence) Rule 2338 (Cashing

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 14:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: (sigh) I knew someone would do this. This is why no-one likes us. This isn't meant to be criticism of your actions; I just thought it was an interesting CFJ, as it's an edge case I don't think has happened yet. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, ais523 wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 14:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: (sigh) I knew someone would do this. This is why no-one likes us. This isn't meant to be criticism of your actions; I just thought it was an interesting CFJ, as it's an edge case I don't think has

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 17:00, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: (sigh) I knew someone would do this.  This is why no-one likes us. Gratuitous: 1.  The auto-picks script produces random numbers similar to other internet dice servers.  For this contest, as for other previous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Search parties give up

2011-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Sean Hunt wrote: 3. The definition of an ongoing Delve is unclear. The best interpretation I can see from the text of the contest is that it is a Delve with a current Delving Period. You are correct that I have used terminology wrong in a couple places when making