DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-08 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > 2009/8/7 Geoffrey Spear : >> I nominate myself as Grand Poobah. >> > Me too. Thank you, but I only need 1 nomination.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-08 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/7 Roger Hicks : > When considering the same with you, while I believe you have > performed the office of Grand Poobah in a satisfactory manner it has > been personally inconvenient to me since you're not using my > card-drawing engine (which means I have to manually record your > deals). Aga

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Pavitra
Kerim Aydin wrote: > the MAY is only for transfer, play, or create. NOT create. Er, what? Surely 'create' is an element of the set {'transfer', 'play', 'create'}.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > A very broken system. As the criminal rules are written, you don't even > need to actually believe you were in the right, it just needs to be > reasonable for you to have done so. I completely support criminal reform > (N.B. my reform proposal would not have repaired this error) as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > The thing about this one is that it moved for the win condition and > included resetting voting power, so was very hard to undo - just creating > one card as an example would be a reason for DISCHARGE. (I'm not sure > if the fact that it didn't work should be a mitigating f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:31 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Also to clarify one other thing: I'm not opposed to officers abusing >> their powers for a scam, I just think it should (in most cases) lead >> to a new office holder. Take for instance my bribery attempt

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:31 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > Also to clarify one other thing: I'm not opposed to officers abusing > their powers for a scam, I just think it should (in most cases) lead > to a new office holder. Take for instance my bribery attempt when the > Grand Poobah and castes were

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 13:20, Sean Hunt wrote: > I submit that people should consider my past performance of duties in > all offices, and not just the scam, when chosing to vote in this and > other ongoing elections for my offices. There is abusable power in the > Grand Poobah office, but it is cle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > I consider it to be a bug in the rules that a player can be found NOT > GUILTY if it is at all reasonable for em to have believed e was not > breaking the rule, even if e did not believe so at the time. I don't think it's so broken; I think judges not be th

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > I think this is especially the case when scamming a power granted to > you as a result of an office you hold. For the good of the game > Officers should be overly cautious in exercising any powers granted to > them for their office as these powers are typically defined to ensur

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: >> It has been pointed out to me that I misread Rule 2253, thinking it also >> provided an exception for creating cards, which it does not. > > Gratuitous: > When planning something that is clearly against the spirit of a rule, > claiming

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 02:48 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > I play 3 Absolv-o-matic cards to destroy my three Rests > > I was going to hold off on this, but it seems to be a good day for > scammers, so let's go for it. > > I create 33 Local Election cards in my own possession. > > R2253 says: > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:48, Sean Hunt wrote: > I create 33 Local Election cards in my own possession. > Notes on recordkeeping: As of the time of initiation for this scam coppro was owed 4 draws from the Deck of Government (2 for Poobah weekly salary, and 2 for IADoP weekly salary). E later dealt

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 02:48, Sean Hunt wrote: > I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. > I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. > I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. > I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. > I spend Lobbyist to reduce Murphy's caste. > I spend Lobbyist to reduc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Heh, I'm guessing that was on purpose... trolled me in anyway.  Destroy > the 33 and I'd be happy with a single penalty :| ... If so, violates Truthiness for knowingly claiming to decrease caste with a Lobbyist.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:44, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:32, ais523 wrote: >> >> The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of >> card from what e subsequently attempted to play. >> > Huh? > Nevermind - I get it. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:32, ais523 wrote: > > The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of > card from what e subsequently attempted to play. > Huh?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: >> Even if the scam worked I still think this warrants 33 NOVs (well, as >> many as can be supported) for violating the SHALL. > > The scam failed, the sort of card coppro created was a different sort of > card from what e subsequently attempted to play. Heh, I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:19 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > You used this to win the game in a direct breach of trust by performing > > an officer's duty 33 times as explicitly forbidden. This is worth 33 NoVs > > and removal from office IMO; it's t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15, Kerim Aydin wrote: > You used this to win the game in a direct breach of trust by performing > an officer's duty 33 times as explicitly forbidden.  This is worth 33 NoVs > and removal from office IMO; it's the precise purpose of writing the > rules this way.  What do o

DIS: Re: BUS: Scammity Scam Scam

2009-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: > however the e SHALL only perform these actions as explicitly > permitted by the Rules. E MAY transfer, play, or destroy cards > in eir own possession as any other player generally MAY. No. Creation is specifically outlawed by "e SHALL only"