Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: The Registrar's report should self-ratify IMO, as it's probably the report in which a mistake can cause the largest chaos to the gamestate. Well given that the July 4 report is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/18 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because avpx changed eir nickname to ehird. If e's changed it back, or it was determined to have failed, I missed that. -root e changed it back and it probably failed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because avpx changed eir nickname to ehird. If e's changed it back, or it was determined to have failed, I missed that. -root e changed it back and it probably failed I see no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/18 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see no reason for it to have failed. Because I am ehird. Can you point me to where e changed it back? I can't find it in my archive. Dunno, someone said e did. tusho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because avpx changed eir nickname to ehird. If e's changed it back, or it was determined to have failed, I missed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see no reason for it to have failed. Can you point me to where e changed it back? I can't find it in my archive. The argument for failure was that ehird still refered to the old ehird, and thus having avpx named ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see no reason for it to have failed. Can you point me to where e changed it back? I can't find it in my archive. The argument for failure was that ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ehird had already changed eir name to tusho at the time and was not a player in any case. It is not clear whether the precedent from CFJs 1703 and 1361 would still apply in this case. -root Which is (i believe) the point of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-18 Thread Quazie
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ehird had already changed eir name to tusho at the time and was not a player in any case. It is not clear whether the precedent from CFJs 1703 and 1361 would

DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose the following proposal, named Demon 1 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #1!} Is there an objective here? (apart from annoyance?) BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/17 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there an objective here? (apart from annoyance?) BobTHJ Consider it a verbose and chaotic version of We should really have a proposal limit like CFJs. This'll play havoc with PerlNomic and the AAA too, I think. tusho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/17 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I submit the following proposal: Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 { Upon adoption of this proposal each proposal whose title includes the word Demon which is in the Proposal Pool is removed from the Proposal Pool without being distributed. } BobTHJ Um,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/17 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I submit the following proposal: Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 { Upon adoption of this proposal each proposal whose title includes the word Demon which is in the Proposal Pool is removed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, that'll be distributed along with mine. Not if the Promotor decides for some reason to wait to distribute yours. I can't image why e might decide to do that, though. Apparently social barrier doesn't mean anything to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Elliott Hird Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 This will likely need to be a higher AI. Side note: looks like the first thing to do for minor arcana is to start charging for proposal distribution again :(. -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/17 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I submit the following proposal: Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 { Upon adoption of this proposal each proposal whose title includes the word Demon which is in the Proposal Pool is removed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/17 Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Elliott Hird Can't the Promotor distribute the Exorcism one first? But I'm guessing that before Exorcism is resolved, the Demon stuff will need to be distributed too? bingo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: Um, that'll be distributed along with mine. Doesn't have to be. Zefram tends to distribute twice a week, but can legally hold them up to a week, do the cancel one immediately, etc. Since the AI has to be changed (I think), might want to add a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't the Promotor distribute the Exorcism one first? But I'm guessing that before Exorcism is resolved, the Demon stuff will need to be distributed too? Nope. The Promotor need only to distribute them by Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:59

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Elliott Hird Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 This will likely need to be a higher AI. Why? and what would you recommend? BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Elliott Hird Exorcism AI: 1 II: 0 This will likely need to be a higher AI. Side note: looks like the first thing to do for minor arcana is to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: I withdraw my proposal titled Exorcism. I request that Goethe submit a suitably similar proposal that would accomplish the intended purpose. First things first. Where does tusho's playerhood stand with the fact that OscarMeyr's AGAINST vote was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 12:36 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: I withdraw my proposal titled Exorcism. I request that Goethe submit a suitably similar proposal that would accomplish the intended purpose. First things first. Where does tusho's playerhood

DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
tusho wrote: I propose the following proposal, named Demon 1 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #1!} [snip] I propose the following proposal, named Demon 450 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #450!} Proto-proto: Amend Rule 2161 (ID Numbers) to allow officers to assign initially-chaotic ID numbers by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 13:14 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: tusho wrote: I propose the following proposal, named Demon 1 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #1!} [snip] I propose the following proposal, named Demon 450 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #450!} Proto-proto: Amend Rule 2161 (ID Numbers) to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Quazie
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tusho wrote: I propose the following proposal, named Demon 1 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #1!} [snip] I propose the following proposal, named Demon 450 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #450!} Proto-proto: Amend Rule 2161 (ID

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/17 ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 13:14 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: tusho wrote: I propose the following proposal, named Demon 1 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #1!} [snip] I propose the following proposal, named Demon 450 (AI=1,II=0): {Hello, world #450!} Proto-proto:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 21:55 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: Proto: Limit the amount of proposals a week a user can make. Duh. I protoprotoed implementing that with Goethe's new Card system. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: Proto: Limit the amount of proposals a week a user can make. It's worth noting that such limits existed from at least prior to 2001 through 2006. Anyone else care to comment on how far back before 2001 they went? Limits were based on currency, cards,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: Proto: Limit the amount of proposals a week a user can make. It's worth noting that such limits existed from at least prior to 2001 through 2006. Anyone else care to comment on how

DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/17 Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But since you're not a player, none of these are actually proposals. -zefram But if I ratify as a player, they will be.

DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Zefram wrote: (Btw, e was awarded the patent title Infinite Boor for that, but it's not listed in the herald's report. Was it removed?) I'd remember that I think, as far as I recall it wasn't in the report when I was first herald in 2001 or since. -goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: Zefram, I'm wondering if the abuse modifies your general Proposals should be Free stance Not much. I'm still firmly opposed to requiring payment to submit proposals or get them distributed, and also opposed to tight rate limiting and other artificial restrictions. For the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: But if I ratify as a player, they will be. Uh, weren't CFJs 2074-2075 raised in time to stop ratification? I don't think a conspiracy of delaying those CFJs stops ratification, does it? -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: But if I ratify as a player, they will be. Uh, weren't CFJs 2074-2075 raised in time to stop ratification? I don't think a conspiracy of delaying those CFJs stops ratification, does it? -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: But if I ratify as a player, they will be. Uh, weren't CFJs 2074-2075 raised in time to stop ratification? I don't think a conspiracy of delaying those CFJs stops ratification, does it? -Goethe The CoE(s) against the results on 5582

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 14:49 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: But if I ratify as a player, they will be. Uh, weren't CFJs 2074-2075 raised in time to stop ratification? I don't think a conspiracy of delaying those CFJs stops ratification, does

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: CFJs don't stop ratification unless they clearly state that they are for the purpose of stopping ratification. (I was intending to use this to force through my Disclaimer Scam, but I think it would have failed on other grounds.) Well the Registrar's report

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 15:07 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: CFJs don't stop ratification unless they clearly state that they are for the purpose of stopping ratification. (I was intending to use this to force through my Disclaimer Scam, but I think it would have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: The Registrar's report should self-ratify IMO, as it's probably the report in which a mistake can cause the largest chaos to the gamestate. Well given that the July 4 report is self-contradictory (lists ehird's deregistration as an event, but still has em on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 15:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: The Registrar's report should self-ratify IMO, as it's probably the report in which a mistake can cause the largest chaos to the gamestate. Well given that the July 4 report is self-contradictory

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote: Well given that the July 4 report is self-contradictory (lists ehird's deregistration as an event, but still has em on the player list) it's probably good that it doesn't right now :). -G. Wasn't that one ratified by hand? No I checked, e ratified the June

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The Demon Proposals

2008-07-17 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jul 17, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/7/17 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there an objective here? (apart from annoyance?) BobTHJ Consider it a verbose and chaotic version of We should really have a proposal limit like CFJs. This'll play havoc with PerlNomic and the AAA