Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Shame

2016-11-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Are you sure we want shame on green cards? The whole point of green cards is > that they can be given when no punishment is warranted. The way the rules are > set up is to require cards, but to allow green cards as a way to avoid > pun

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Simple Economy

2016-11-04 Thread Aris Merchant
I like the basic idea. I tend to agree with the other about the substance, and I'm not much good on technicalities. I do have some worries about the proposal system, and I would be totally against any such restriction on CFJs or the like. A few things about proposals. There was proposal recently,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Simple Economy

2016-11-04 Thread Alexis Hunt
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:26 PM nichdel wrote: > On 11/04/2016 08:05 PM, ais523 wrote: > > The largest problem is that you haven't specified an officer to track > > the switches. > Woops, lost it in editing. Meant to be the Secretary. > > Currencies typically need to have multiple dimensions so th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Simple Economy

2016-11-04 Thread Nicholas Evans
On 11/04/2016 08:05 PM, ais523 wrote: The largest problem is that you haven't specified an officer to track the switches. Woops, lost it in editing. Meant to be the Secretary. Currencies typically need to have multiple dimensions so that a varying exchange rate can be set up between them. Out

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Simple Economy

2016-11-04 Thread nichdel
On 11/04/2016 08:05 PM, ais523 wrote: The largest problem is that you haven't specified an officer to track the switches. Woops, lost it in editing. Meant to be the Secretary. Currencies typically need to have multiple dimensions so that a varying exchange rate can be set up between them. Out

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal season

2016-10-28 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Oct 28, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:46:13 -0400 > Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: >> >>> the map "t |-> max(14,t+2)" is applied >> >> Oh, come on. > > What? I attempted to write this in natural language, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal season

2016-10-28 Thread Luis Ressel
On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 00:40:03 -0700 Aris Merchant wrote: > Am I the only one who doesn't understand what this even means? Best > guess is t+2 to a maximum of 14, but the internet isn't that clear > on this. I think map may have different meanings in different fields > (math, programming)? There ha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal season

2016-10-28 Thread Luis Ressel
On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:46:13 -0400 Owen Jacobson wrote: > On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: > > > the map "t |-> max(14,t+2)" is applied > > Oh, come on. > What? I attempted to write this in natural language, but it'd have taken at least two full lines. There's a reason why

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal season

2016-10-28 Thread Aris Merchant
> On Oct 26, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Luis Ressel > wrote: > > the map "t |-> max(14,t+2)" is applied > > > Am I the only one who doesn't understand what this even means? Best guess is t+2 to a maximum of 14, but the internet isn't that clear on this. I think map may have different meanings in different

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Season Pt II

2016-10-26 Thread Luis Ressel
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Kerim Aydin wrote: > Some possibly useful generalization: > > A boolean switch is a switch with values True and False. A > positive boolean switch has a default of True; a negative > boolean switch has a default of false. Thanks,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal season

2016-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:00:58 +0200 > Luis Ressel wrote: > > > and the map "t |-> max(14,t+2)" is applied to eir Ribbon > > Threshold. > > Btw, I'm aware it hasn't been defined anywhere what "applying a map" > actually means, but it seemed l

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: require

2016-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Owen Jacobson wrote: > What’s the protocol here? Resubmit with (A) a fixed Subject: header and (B) > AI=3? Don't worry about subject header; just retract and then propose anew (can have the same name, but a courtesy is to add a "v2" or similar for clarity). For everyone

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: require

2016-09-15 Thread ais523
On Thu, 2016-09-15 at 00:59 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Re-reading rule 106 suggests that the power of the proposed or > amended rule is the minimum AI for the proposal, is this the only > condition I missed last time around? You're missing rule 2140, which is really the heart of the Power syste

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: require

2016-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 12:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2016, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> Title: FOR Require Intent on Ballots >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: o >> Co-author(s): >> >> Replace the text of rule 683 'Voting on Agoran Decisions' with: > > Rule 683 is power-3, so this n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clearer Registrar Responsibilities

2016-08-10 Thread Jack Henahan
Ørjan Johansen writes: > On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Jack Henahan wrote: > >> I believe cygneus is an adjective meaning "swan-like". Cantus Cygnei, >> then, would be "Song of the swan-like things", > > It would mean "swan-like songs", surely? There is no genitive there, > unlike with "cygni". (That

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clearer Registrar Responsibilities

2016-08-10 Thread nichdel
On 08/10/2016 08:16 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Jack Henahan wrote: I believe cygneus is an adjective meaning "swan-like". Cantus Cygnei, then, would be "Song of the swan-like things", It would mean "swan-like songs", surely? There is no genitive there, unlike with "cygni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clearer Registrar Responsibilities

2016-08-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Jack Henahan wrote: I believe cygneus is an adjective meaning "swan-like". Cantus Cygnei, then, would be "Song of the swan-like things", It would mean "swan-like songs", surely? There is no genitive there, unlike with "cygni". (That would be "Cantus Cygneorum", perhaps.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Clearer Registrar Responsibilities

2016-08-10 Thread Jack Henahan
I believe cygneus is an adjective meaning "swan-like". Cantus Cygnei, then, would be "Song of the swan-like things", whereas Cantus Cygni would be "swan's song". A more classically poetic translation might be "carmen cygni". Ørjan Johansen writes: > On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, nichdel wrote: > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread Tanner Swett
Also, has Agora tried approval voting lately? I think it's snazzy. —the Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:22 PM, omd wrote: >> (d) If the valid options are ordered lists of preferences, the >> outcome is decided using instant-runoff voting. In case >> multiple valid preferences tie for the lowest

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread Sean Hunt
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:10 PM, omd wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: >> I thought (and Wikipedia agrees) that IRV stages without a majority winner >> (which includes any with a top tie) choose (one or more) losers, not a >> winner. > > Ah, yes. Thinko. > Honestly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2015-07-16 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > I thought (and Wikipedia agrees) that IRV stages without a majority winner > (which includes any with a top tie) choose (one or more) losers, not a > winner. Ah, yes. Thinko.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI review

2015-07-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 19:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, omd wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > > > Alternatively, you're trying to take the minimum of 4 and an undefined > > > > value. I'd have thoug

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI review

2015-07-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 19:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, omd wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > > Alternatively, you're trying to take the minimum of 4 and an undefined > > > value. I'd have thought the most sensible resolution of this situation >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI review

2015-07-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, omd wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 21:52 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > >> The last ratified ruleset was published on April 7, 2014. Since then, > >> the following proposals have been adopted without having had an > >> adopti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI review

2015-07-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 21:52 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: >> The last ratified ruleset was published on April 7, 2014. Since then, >> the following proposals have been adopted without having had an >> adoption index specified upon submission: > > I th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PROPOSAL: Into the 21st century

2015-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > > I think it’s time we allow HTML reports. I submit this proposal: > > Argh, please don't. Since I access my old NVG account only through ssh, I use > a terminal-based mail reader (alpine), and although

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Slightly easier Ribbons

2015-05-05 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Second one was far too easy, people won in a month, and didn't really > have to try that hard. > > Not exactly a "bad ending", just not much of a game second time around. > > -G. Additional context: Thanks to a minor scam to get me one of th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Slightly easier Ribbons

2015-05-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 5 May 2015, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Tue, 05 May 2015 09:06:43 +0100 > Alex Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 13:03 +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: > > > I submit the following proposal [Only change: Add "or all but one" > > > in the first line]: > > > > We tried that before. It didn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Slightly easier Ribbons

2015-05-05 Thread Luis Ressel
On Tue, 05 May 2015 09:06:43 +0100 Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 13:03 +0200, Luis Ressel wrote: > > I submit the following proposal [Only change: Add "or all but one" > > in the first line]: > > We tried that before. It didn't end well. > Could you be more specific? How did it not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Noise reduction

2015-04-18 Thread Luis Ressel
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:49:13 -0400 omd wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Luis Ressel wrote: > > his monthly report, whose values are the subsets of the set of > > eir! > Sorry, I tend to forget about that Spivak slang. I'm having a hard enough time trying not to switch back and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Noise reduction

2015-04-17 Thread Luis Ressel
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:35:55 -0600 Sprocklem wrote: > On 2015-04-17 09:07, Luis Ressel wrote: > > Amend Rule 2162 (Switches) by replacing the paragraph > > > >c) Optionally, exactly one office whose holder tracks > > instances of that switch. That officer's report includes the value > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Recess

2015-03-09 Thread Sprocklem S
> How many people are ready to restart right now? I am, barring any unforeseen circumstances. -- Sprocklem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Recess

2015-03-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 7 Mar 2015, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sat, 2015-03-07 at 00:48 -0500, omd wrote: > > If, within the past seven days, at least eight distinct humans > > have declared themselves ready, then all those humans are > > registered, all other players are deregistered, and the Rece

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-30 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 31 October 2014 00:14, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > >> The Rulekeepor, Speaker and Prime Minister each have a >> spending power of 2. The Promotor has a spending power of >> 4. >> >> Changes to imminence and spending power both are se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-30 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 30 October 2014 19:05, omd wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn > wrote: >> I retract the proposal "Restricted distribution". I submit the >> following proposal (an edited version): > > Still contains the "swich" typo. Regarding the attributes thing, > since this proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Changing the Definition of Timely Fashion

2014-10-29 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > Is there a reason you didn't just say "in Rule 1023 'Common Definitions', > change 'within 7 days' to 'within 4 days'"? > > --the Warrigal Yeah, I could have done that... *facepalm* -Henri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Eritivus wrote: > On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 19:49 +, omd wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn > > > I had a vague memory of a rule which said that a CAN without mechanism > > > was treated as CAN by announcement, but there is no such rule. Was > > > the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-28 Thread Eritivus
On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 19:49 +, omd wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn > > I had a vague memory of a rule which said that a CAN without mechanism > > was treated as CAN by announcement, but there is no such rule. Was > > there ever? Anyway, I will fix. > > IIRC there was a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-28 Thread omd
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Would anything important be lost by changing "Once a proposal is > created, none of its attributes can be changed" to "Once a proposal is > created, none of these attributes can be changed"? (The previous > paragraph is the list of attribut

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-28 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 27 October 2014 20:59, omd wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn > wrote: >> The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal >> Pool at any time. The Promotor SHALL not distribute proposals >> which are not pending. > > SHALL NOT Oops, tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Silver Quill

2014-10-28 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:25 PM, omd wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Benjamin Schultz > wrote: > > The Marker Dates are SEMI annual -- every half year. BI annual means > every > > two years. I hate hate HAET it when people use bi- to mean semi-. > Please > > amend your Proposal bef

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Silver Quill

2014-10-27 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > The Marker Dates are SEMI annual -- every half year. BI annual means every > two years. I hate hate HAET it when people use bi- to mean semi-. Please > amend your Proposal before I run you over with a bitruck. I did look it up beforeh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expedition

2014-10-26 Thread Tanner Swett
On Oct 26, 2014, at 10:51 PM, omd wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: >> Amend Rule 2160 "Deputisation" by appending the paragraph >> >> A rule which purports to allow a person to specially deputise >> under particular circumstances thereby makes it POSSIBLE fo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Eritivus wrote: I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? So not as worrisome as I thought. If you want to make higher-powered rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Eritivus wrote: > I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification > actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? > > So not as worrisome as I thought. If you want to make higher-powered rules but can get a power-3 proposal thro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 19:51 +, Eritivus wrote: > I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification > actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? > > So not as worrisome as I thought. A Power-3 rule can do anything, though, because the Power restri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? So not as worrisome as I thought.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 18:33 +, omd wrote: > That it ignores the AI=1 requirement is accidental, but probably not > important. If someone makes an obviously deficient fast track > attempt, that's what a Claim of Error is for. Sure, I just don't have a feel for how likely it is that skilled Rid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Eritivus wrote: > The "self-ratifying" clause seems worrisome, because it is not obvious > to me that it requires the conditions in the first paragraph (AI=1, 7 > days notice, etc) to be satisfied. That ratification can occur regardless of any failures in the actu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
Suppose I send the following message, having sent no previous relevant messages (i.e. no previously published intent). I hereby fast track the following proposal: Proposal: Eritivus Regnat AI: 4 Create a new Power-4 Rule titled "Eritivus Regnat": Eritivus CAN cause this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 21 October 2014 18:42, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > >> On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > > >> > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > >> > with 2 support?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread khoyobegenn
y ongoing decision on whether to >adopt it is immediately cancelled (without being resolved). --Message d'origine-- De: Kerim Aydin À: Me À: Agora Nomic discussions (DF) Objet: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track Envoyé: 21 oct. 2014 18:47 On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmail.com wrote: > > Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) > > to a proposal ? > > SCAM: > If there's a proposal you and 2 others don't like, fast-track it, > then kill it with an ob

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 21 October 2014 18:42, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > >> > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted >> > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? >> > >> >> With

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) > to a proposal ? SCAM: If there's a proposal you and 2 others don't like, fast-track it, then kill it with an objection. Repeat indefinitely.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread khoyobegenn
Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) to a proposal ? --Khoyo -Original Message- From: Kerim Aydin Sender: "agora-discussion" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:28:28 To: Agora Discussion Reply-To: "Agora Nomic discussions \(DF\)" Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: P

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? > > > > With 2 support and 0 objections, yes; that's how I read it too

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? > With 2 support and 0 objections, yes; that's how I read it too. -- Tiger

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> It was TtDF. > > There is nothing saying you can't withdraw an intent to a DF. There is very little reason to believe you can. Or in any other forum, as your arguments mention, but especially discussion fora... Are you trying to get away with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:39 PM, omd wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Sean Hunt > wrote: >> I CFJ: {{omd withdrew an intent in the quoted message.}} >> >> Arguments: The rules do not specify a mechanism for withdrawing intents. > > It was TtDF. There is nothing saying you can't withdra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I CFJ: {{omd withdrew an intent in the quoted message.}} > > Arguments: The rules do not specify a mechanism for withdrawing intents. It was TtDF. Incidentally, I don't think the rule actually works. It refers to "highest voting strength among

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal 7692: Vote & Fix

2014-09-02 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Luis Ressel wrote: > At first, all players request Basic Discount, A Personalised Shopping > Experience, and Half-Hearted Attempt At A Win. These have redeem costs > of -1, 0 and 2, respectively. That means only total redeem costs of -1, > 0, 1 or 2 are possible. An

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deputisation clarification

2014-09-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 16:59 -0600, Sprocklem wrote: > On 2014-08-31 16:53, Luis Ressel wrote: > > Remark: As I noted on the -discussion list, I think the replacement > > text represents the current situation anyway. > > > I believe the rule was changed to how it is currently with the intention > t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deputisation clarification

2014-08-31 Thread Sprocklem
On 2014-08-31 17:06, Luis Ressel wrote: > On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:59:25 -0600 > Sprocklem wrote: > >> On 2014-08-31 16:53, Luis Ressel wrote: >>> Remark: As I noted on the -discussion list, I think the replacement >>> text represents the current situation anyway. >>> >> I believe the rule was chan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deputisation clarification

2014-08-31 Thread Luis Ressel
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:59:25 -0600 Sprocklem wrote: > On 2014-08-31 16:53, Luis Ressel wrote: > > Remark: As I noted on the -discussion list, I think the replacement > > text represents the current situation anyway. > > > I believe the rule was changed to how it is currently with the > intention

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A More Appropriate Punishment

2014-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:49 PM, omd wrote: > > But your anecdote suggests that you approach writing differently, so I > > suppose my intentions here don't work for you. This makes me curious > > where other players fall on the spectrum... I would s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A More Appropriate Punishment

2014-06-25 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:49 PM, omd wrote: > > See, it doesn't work that way for me. Not being able to vote is in > itself obnoxious, both for the player and the game - the former > because it feels like a form of exclusion/isolation, rarely merited by > rule violations, the latter because Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-14 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing From Agora, and unless I've missed some conver

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Rouillard > wrote: > > > > P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be > > needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing > > From Agora, and unless I've missed some c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-11 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > > P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be > needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing > From Agora, and unless I've missed some conversation somewhere, I > didn't see any justification f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-11 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be > needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing > From Agora, and unless I've missed some conversation somewhere, I > didn't see any justification for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be > needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing > From Agora, and unless I've missed some conversation somewhere, I > didn't see any justification for it. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: > Because of this it is a pain to try to identify the author of a > message if they didn't sign their message and their email name is not > their "name". Well... you could have required that the author be identified in some way in the message,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread khoyobegenn
Too Long ; Didn't Read -- Khoyo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > > It's Jonathan or Jo, not Jon. =P > > You get used to it after a while. Sure, people go by different names > at different time, just like my friends call me > Roujo/Jo/Jonathan/Rouillard depending on the friend and on who's > around. In

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: > The reason I proposed Mandatory Identification was because some people > have Agoran names differing from their e-mail names. For example, > xx1122334455 signs his messages with "LiberonScien" yet his e-mail > name is "xx1122334455", and Jon'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:10 PM, omd wrote: > > The present identification rule is annoying enough without having to > be mean about it. > > - offering marked displeasure What is annoying about Mandatory Identification? You simply type "-omd" at the end of your messages, and that's all you need to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
Here. I'll do it. -the Registrar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > If I am the Herald, and sign a report, 'the Herald', am I breaking > a Rule right now? > > I'd do so and make a test case, but I'm not an officer at the moment. > Anyone want to try? > No, that would not be a violation of the rules right now.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
ok.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: > Is it required that we always have a win condition? No, but if you're not interested, you can always just ignore it as long as other people find it worthwhile.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Sean Hunt
On Jun 7, 2014 4:05 PM, "Henri Bouchard" wrote: > > Is it required that we always have a win condition? > > -Henri > No. But I am Scorekeepor and Herald because of it, and many recent proposals came about as an attempt to garner points.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
Is it required that we always have a win condition? -Henri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 7 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > What (to you) would make it interesting? > > Something more creative than just accumulating points over time. > Something that requires more thought than holding the most offices and > proposing t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Winning

2014-06-07 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > What (to you) would make it interesting? Something more creative than just accumulating points over time. Something that requires more thought than holding the most offices and proposing the most proposals. -Henri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-05-24 Thread Fool
On Sat, 2014-05-24 at 17:09 -0400, omd wrote: > On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Fool wrote: > > Soul personal manager. > > From your post I can't tell whether you realized this, but it's a pun; > I am analogizing transferring the most important benefit of being a > person in a nomic - the right

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-05-24 Thread omd
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Fool wrote: > Soul personal manager. >From your post I can't tell whether you realized this, but it's a pun; I am analogizing transferring the most important benefit of being a person in a nomic - the right to vote - to selling one's soul. Luckily this one comes w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Scorekeepor Reports

2014-05-10 Thread Sean Hunt
Rule 2143 On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:47 PM, omd wrote: >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: >>> Proposal: Scorekeepor Reports (Adoption Index=9.9) >>> >>> Append the following to Rule 2420 (Score): >>> >>> The Scor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Scorekeepor Reports

2014-05-10 Thread Henri Bouchard
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:47 PM, omd wrote: > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Henri Bouchard wrote: >> Proposal: Scorekeepor Reports (Adoption Index=9.9) >> >> Append the following to Rule 2420 (Score): >> >> The Scorekeeper's weekly report includes a list of the scores of >> all of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mandatory Identificati...

2014-05-07 Thread x1122334455
On 5/6/14 at 8:07pm, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:18 PM, omd wrote: > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Jonathan Rouillard > > wrote: > >> I object, for semi-obvious reasons. > > > > Me too, as my identity should be clear from the From line. > > I'm in favor, because I real

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mandatory Identificati...

2014-05-07 Thread x1122334455
On 5/6/14 at 5:48pm, Alex Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2014-05-06 at 17:42 -0400, Henri Bouchard wrote: > > I propose the following: > > > > -- > > > > Proposal: Mandatory Identification > > > > Create a new Rule, titled "Mandatory

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mandatory Identification

2014-05-06 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:18 PM, omd wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Jonathan Rouillard > wrote: >> I object, for semi-obvious reasons. > > Me too, as my identity should be clear from the From line. I'm in favor, because I really want to see all the IRC people sign every one of their mes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mandatory Identification

2014-05-06 Thread omd
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > I object, for semi-obvious reasons. Me too, as my identity should be clear from the From line.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-04-20 Thread omd
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > This leaves me a little confused as to how an intentionally unfair > judgement system would work, at least for inquiries (it's clear how it > would work for criminal cases). What sort of power does an unfair judge > have on the game? Confusing p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-04-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 23:01 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > > scshunt wrote: > > > > judicial functions to a new office (maybe not the Clerk... the Arbitor > >> or something. This would remove the connotation of impartiality that > >> Murphy gave the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-04-13 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > scshunt wrote: > > judicial functions to a new office (maybe not the Clerk... the Arbitor >> or something. This would remove the connotation of impartiality that >> Murphy gave the Clerk). Then we can look at figurehead reform once >> > > Oh,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-04-13 Thread Ed Murphy
scshunt wrote: judicial functions to a new office (maybe not the Clerk... the Arbitor or something. This would remove the connotation of impartiality that Murphy gave the Clerk). Then we can look at figurehead reform once Oh, so it's all /my/ fault. I see how it is. :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-04-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > My Next Big Idea was Officers' Policies: > > 1. Loosen up Rules restrictions on Officers. Allow Promotor to > decide which proposals to distribute for example, as long as none > sits for longer than (say) 3 weeks. CotC more flexible in app

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2014-03-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > With this clause, making assumption automatic, I would't do a one-off > > deputization. > > > > Suggestion: make it opt-in, not opt-out (the deputy CAN take over the > > office if e does so in the me

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