Incremenats as big as full

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony Worrall
tape file origK compK secs 0 20030618 sir-1-20 54 10650330 6617775 2915 1 20030703 sir-1-107 9873700 6578667 3104 This happens with dump and gntar backups. If I do a find on the filesystem it claims that no files have been modified

Re: Incremenats as big as full

2003-07-03 Thread Paul Bijnens
Anthony Worrall wrote: We have a filesytem which contians files that are basically static. However when they are backed up the incrementals are almost as big as the full backups. ... This happens with dump and gntar backups. If I do a find on the filesystem it claims that no files have been

Re: Incremenats as big as full

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony Worrall
Hi Paul hit the nail on the head. It seem the administrator of that machine was running a find over the directories which updated the ctime of all the files. Thanks Paul. Anthony - Begin Forwarded Message - Anthony Worrall wrote: We have a filesytem which contians

missing backup data

2003-07-03 Thread James Williamson
:0: skipping start of tape: date 20030703 label nameon1 amrestore:1: skipping ..backup file1... Yet if I run it again I get this: amrestore: WARNING: not at start of tape file numbers will be offset amrestore:1: skipping ..backup file2... and so on. I'm assuming that amrestore invoked

Re: problems with amlabel/amcheck

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 3:04pm, Mikkel Gadegaard wrote *snip* tpchanger chg-zd-mtx # the tape-changer glue script tapedev /dev/nst0 # the no-rewind tape device used changerfile /var/lib/amanda/BackUp/changer.conf # path to changer.conf changerdev

RE: problems with amlabel/amcheck

2003-07-03 Thread Mikkel Gadegaard
messed up copy/pasting :) I'm using the part where changerfile is /var/lib/amanda/BackUp/changer -Original Message- From: Joshua Baker-LePain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3. juli 2003 15:15 To: Mikkel Gadegaard Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: problems with amlabel/amcheck On Thu,

Re: Incremenats as big as full

2003-07-03 Thread Dietmar Goldbeck
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:16:56AM +0100, Anthony Worrall wrote: tar (GNU tar) 1.13.18 everything below 1.13.19 should be upgraded _immediately_. Prepare for at least problems with the index! -- Alles Gute / best wishes Dietmar Goldbeck E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reporter (to

RE: Fatal reading result from taper

2003-07-03 Thread Josh Welch
Paul Bijnens said: Josh Welch wrote: Amcheck gives no erors. However, when I try to do amdump, its breaking. I've included the email from amanda below. There doesn't look to be anything particularly interesting in the logs, but I've pasted the amandad.debug from the client below.

RE: Fatal reading result from taper

2003-07-03 Thread Josh Welch
Gene Heskett said: snip Did I not already post a howto? In this case I think you are going to have to install the compiler, and build from tarball before its going to work. If you install the compiler from rpms, it can then be removed when you are done, just keep track of which

Re: howto decide full vs. incremental ???

2003-07-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 10:18:50PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote: Thank you, all of you, for your help -- I have a working amanda! Now, I am trying to understand amanda's built-in backup strategy. How can I know when `disk' will be backed up full or incremental? I do not have a changer,

to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Yes, I am learning -- at the expense of many questions ; First, a brief overview: I have five (5) Linux servers, totaling ~50 Gb used diskspace, divided roughly even across all five. I have several DAT tape drives, the largest of which is an HP DDS-3. I have twelve (12) DDS-3 tapes, and twenty

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
Michael D. Schleif said: [1] Should I use hardware compression? There seem to be several schools of thought here. I want to know how Amanda works with hardware compression? What are the advantages of using software compression? What are the disadvantages of using *both* hardware and

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Re: howto decide full vs. incremental ???

2003-07-03 Thread Steven J. Backus
Question: If you want to occasionally take a full dump off site for storage, how does one decide which tape? And when to take it?

RE: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Ean Kingston
I Have the opposite viewpoint. I prefer hardware compression. It allows me to offload processing required to the tape drive (instead of my computers) Since some of my systems (including the backup server itself) can be slow, this actually speeds things up for me. Also, with hardware

RE: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 12:17pm, Ean Kingston wrote I Have the opposite viewpoint. I prefer hardware compression. It allows me to offload processing required to the tape drive (instead of my computers) Since some of my systems (including the backup server itself) can be slow, this actually

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Paul Bijnens
Michael D. Schleif wrote: [1] Should I use hardware compression? There seem to be several schools of thought here. I want to know how Amanda works with hardware compression? What are the advantages of using software compression? What are the disadvantages of using *both* hardware and software

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
This is more appropriate for amanda-users, I've redirected the message there. On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:07:28PM -0400, Harry Mbang wrote: Hi all, I have reformatted my Linux box and want to try again from scratch. I was wondering if anyone has an opinion of the best source of

RE: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Harry Mbang
No, Sorry no bearing. Thanks a lot will try that out. Harry. -Original Message- From: Jon LaBadie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Harry Mbang Subject: Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda This is more appropriate for

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: Also, in creating the Amanda user should I let the system do this by simply specifying --with-user=Amanda or should I create an Amanda user then specify --with-user=Amanda? --with-user=foo will *not* create the foo user for you;

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:57:22AM -0400, Kurt Yoder wrote: I prefer software compression personally: -Amanda can make a more accurate estimate of how much tape is needed. So if you know your tape is 20 GB, and your software-compressed dump files total 21 GB, you know they won't all fit.

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Ean Kingston wrote: Also, with hardware compression, I know I can restore the tape without having to worry about finding the right libraries and programs to do the restore. True. But one can work around that by backing up / uncompressed, and making

Re: Fatal reading result from taper

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 09:56, Josh Welch wrote: Gene Heskett said: snip Did I not already post a howto? In this case I think you are going to have to install the compiler, and build from tarball before its going to work. If you install the compiler from rpms, it can then be removed when

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Super-User
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:18:26PM -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: - Better compression, probably. Hardware compression is typically some variant of LZ, isn't it? I don't know how gzip -1 (the default compress-fast) compares with that, but gzip -9 (the default compress-best) does a lot

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:42, Michael D. Schleif wrote: Yes, I am learning -- at the expense of many questions ; First, a brief overview: I have five (5) Linux servers, totaling ~50 Gb used diskspace, divided roughly even across all five. I have several DAT tape drives, the largest of which

Re: howto decide full vs. incremental ???

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 12:10, Steven J. Backus wrote: Question: If you want to occasionally take a full dump off site for storage, how does one decide which tape? And when to take it? You don't take just one tape, you take the last 'dumpcycle' tapes to offsite. When the next dumpcycle is

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 13:21, Eric Siegerman wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: Also, in creating the Amanda user should I let the system do this by simply specifying --with-user=Amanda or should I create an Amanda user then specify --with-user=Amanda?

Bug in chg-chio?

2003-07-03 Thread Jack Twilley
This has happened twice so far. Has anyone else seen it? amcheck-server: slot 6: date 20030702 label twilley006 (active tape) amcheck-server: slot Use: tape_rdlabel: tape open: of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /usr/local/libexec/amanda/chg-chio line 396.: No such file or directory

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Also sprach Gene Heskett (Thu 03 Jul 02003 at 02:51:39PM -0400): On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:42, Michael D. Schleif wrote: Yes, I am learning -- at the expense of many questions ; First, a brief overview: I have five (5) Linux servers, totaling ~50 Gb used diskspace, divided roughly even

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony A. D. Talltree
True. But one can work around that by backing up / uncompressed, and making sure it contains a (possibly statically linked) copy of gzip. ... or just write a couple of copies of a CD with gzip and whatever else you might need.

RE: Fatal reading result from taper

2003-07-03 Thread Josh Welch
Gene Heskett said: snip If I haven't lost my mind (at my age it could happen :), it should be in the archives of this list, just a few days old. It even has a couple of attachments, which are the configuration stuff I use here. The attachments only totalled a bit less than 1400 bytes.

Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape for 3 days?

2003-07-03 Thread Anwar Ruff
Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape in a consecutive manner over several day (e.g., 5 days)? Enclosed in this email are my amanda.conf and disklist files. Thank You, Anwar __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:59:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 13:21, Eric Siegerman wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: Most people build the software as the amanda_user. Why? I just built it under my own account, and everything went

Re: Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape for 3days?

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 1:02pm, Anwar Ruff wrote Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape in a consecutive manner over several day (e.g., 5 days)? Enclosed in this email are my amanda.conf and disklist files. Amanda, by design, doesn't append to a tape. Period. -- Joshua

Starting From Scratch

2003-07-03 Thread Harry Mbang
Hi all, please forgive me in advance for what for most may seem simple minded questions, here goes: I rebuilt amanda (reintsalled), unlike the previous time I do not have an etc folder under /usr/local. An amanda folder is found under /usr/local/share. In it is located text files

amandadrbd

2003-07-03 Thread Sterpu Victor
I have succesfuly installed amanda. However, on the servers I have installed drbd. And it seems that amanda does not hork with drbd. Or maybe amanda does not work with reiserfs partitions? Does somewoane succesfuly tried this combination? Even that all the checks are succesfully: amcheck -c conf

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
Assuming you're running Linux, all you need is some form of Linux rescue disk. I've got a bunch of Debian installer cd's lying around and have used them for similar purposes before. Probably most Linux installer cd's can be used like this, and I'm quite certain something like Knoppix would include

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
Michael D. Schleif said: Also, what is the best way to turn off compression? # sudo mt-gnu -f /dev/nst0 datcompression Compression on. Compression capable. Decompression capable. # sudo mt-gnu -f /dev/nst0 datcompression 0 Compression off. Compression

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread George Kelbley
restoring w/o amrestore can be done with dd, gzip, tar, and so on, way messy compared to amrecover (or amrestore) but its possible. That's one of the plus's to amanda. Kurt Yoder wrote: Assuming you're running Linux, all you need is some form of Linux rescue disk. I've got a bunch of Debian

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 4:34pm, Kurt Yoder wrote Assuming you're running Linux, all you need is some form of Linux rescue disk. I've got a bunch of Debian installer cd's lying around and have used them for similar purposes before. Probably most Linux installer cd's can be used like this, and

Re: amandadrbd

2003-07-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 02:29:20AM +0300, Sterpu Victor wrote: I have succesfuly installed amanda. However, on the servers I have installed drbd. And it seems that amanda does not hork with drbd. Or maybe amanda does not work with reiserfs partitions? Does somewoane succesfuly tried this

Re: Starting From Scratch

2003-07-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:28:41PM -0400, Harry Mbang wrote: Hi all, please forgive me in advance for what for most may seem simple minded questions, here goes: I rebuilt amanda (reintsalled), unlike the previous time I do not have an etc folder under /usr/local. An amanda

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
How do you recover an amanda dump file without amrestore? I had dd'd one to disk and tried to untar it but got the message not a tar file. Once I ran it through amrestore I was able to untar it though. George Kelbley said: restoring w/o amrestore can be done with dd, gzip, tar, and so on, way

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Michael D. Schleif
Also sprach George Kelbley (Thu 03 Jul 02003 at 02:41:12PM -0600): restoring w/o amrestore can be done with dd, gzip, tar, and so on, way messy compared to amrecover (or amrestore) but its possible. That's one of the plus's to amanda. Kurt Yoder wrote: Assuming you're running Linux,

Re: amandadrbd

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 at 2:29am, Sterpu Victor wrote I have succesfuly installed amanda. However, on the servers I have installed drbd. And it seems that amanda does not hork with drbd. Or maybe amanda does not work with reiserfs partitions? Does somewoane succesfuly tried this combination?

Re: Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape for 3 days?

2003-07-03 Thread Jay Lessert
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:02:03PM -0700, Anwar Ruff wrote: Is it possible to backup several servers to one tape in a consecutive manner over several day (e.g., 5 days)? Not the way you're thinking. One easy thing to do in amanda to install a large cheap holdingdisk, set reserve to some low

Re: Index file is empty - cygwin - using latest verion on tar

2003-07-03 Thread Michael Gabriel
Thanks, It's seems to be working. I now am seeing the back up indexes (indices?).I'm not %100 sure of what the solution was but some of the things I did were 1. Re-installed cygwin making sure that cygwin/bin was in the windows enviroment path. 2. made sure that I

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 4:20pm, Michael D. Schleif wrote Am I right that amrecover is useless *without* an index? Yep. Also, using only amrestore, is it possible to get at individual files/directories, or is it only a matter of restoring the entire dump/tarball? Yes, depending. If you use

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 04:07:25PM -0400, Eric Siegerman wrote: No. My personal account is NOT a member of the disk/operator/backup/whatever group. Amanda doesn't *run* as me; I did the usual -- created an amanda account and configured the package with: --with-user=amanda

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread bao
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 4:20pm, Michael D. Schleif wrote Am I right that amrecover is useless *without* an index? Yep. No argument about it. But, I don't keep index files along with the backup image on tape. Before running amrecover, I would run a script to

amverify runs on same tape twice

2003-07-03 Thread Kurt Yoder
Hello folks I've only got one tape drive with no robot, so if I have more than one tape, I change it manually. Thus, I've set up a manual changer configuration; part of that is setting runtapes 2. So far, so good. Now if I run amverify, it verifies once (ok), then rewinds and *re-verifies the

Compression and X

2003-07-03 Thread Steven J. Backus
The only compression option I can see on my mt is defcompression, so to turn it off is: /bin/mt -f device defcompression 0 correct? Also, when I built amanda I did: --enable-FEATURE=x 'cuz I thought there's some sort of X interface to amanda. Now I'm not so sure. What is this x thing?

Re: Bug in chg-chio?

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 14:56, Jack Twilley wrote: This has happened twice so far. Has anyone else seen it? amcheck-server: slot 6: date 20030702 label twilley006 (active tape) amcheck-server: slot Use: tape_rdlabel: tape open: of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 15:10, Michael D. Schleif wrote: Also sprach Gene Heskett (Thu 03 Jul 02003 at 02:51:39PM -0400): On Thursday 03 July 2003 11:42, Michael D. Schleif wrote: Yes, I am learning -- at the expense of many questions ; First, a brief overview: I have five (5) Linux

Re: Staring From Scratch --Installing AManda

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 16:07, Eric Siegerman wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 02:59:35PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday 03 July 2003 13:21, Eric Siegerman wrote: On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:40:35PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: Most people build the software as the amanda_user. Why? I

Re: Starting From Scratch

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 16:28, Harry Mbang wrote: Hi all, please forgive me in advance for what for most may seem simple minded questions, here goes: I rebuilt amanda (reintsalled), unlike the previous time I do not have an etc folder under /usr/local. An amanda folder is found under

Re: to compress or not to compress ???

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 18:03, bao wrote: Joshua Baker-LePain wrote: On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 at 4:20pm, Michael D. Schleif wrote Am I right that amrecover is useless *without* an index? Yep. No argument about it. But, I don't keep index files along with the backup image on tape. Before running

Re: Compression and X

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 July 2003 21:03, Steven J. Backus wrote: The only compression option I can see on my mt is defcompression, so to turn it off is: /bin/mt -f device defcompression 0 correct? Also, when I built amanda I did: --enable-FEATURE=x 'cuz I thought there's some sort of X interface to

Re: amandadrbd

2003-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 July 2003 19:29, Sterpu Victor wrote: I have succesfuly installed amanda. However, on the servers I have installed drbd. And it seems that amanda does not hork with drbd. Or maybe amanda does not work with reiserfs partitions? Does somewoane succesfuly tried this combination? Even