Re: bad tape?

2019-08-28 Thread Olivier
Jens Berg writes: > On 8/28/2019 9:14 AM, Olivier wrote: >> I have a dedicated server that runs Amanda, with 8 bays, I never >> disconnect the disks unless it is time to replace them with a newer >> and biger one. > > Don't you have Off-Site backups? No. > Since I switched from LTO to vtapes, I

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-28 Thread Jens Berg
On 8/28/2019 9:14 AM, Olivier wrote: > I have a dedicated server that runs Amanda, with 8 bays, I never > disconnect the disks unless it is time to replace them with a newer > and biger one. Don't you have Off-Site backups? Since I switched from LTO to vtapes, I'm using USB drives for that which

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-28 Thread Olivier
Diego Zuccato writes: > Il 28/08/19 03:34, Olivier ha scritto: > >> Or write another device for Amanda to use, it would not be vtape, it >> would be ... something. > Could be 'rawdisk'. :) > > But better plan for some redundancy to compensate for silent corruption. > > And consider that SATA conn

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-28 Thread Diego Zuccato
Il 28/08/19 03:34, Olivier ha scritto: > Or write another device for Amanda to use, it would not be vtape, it > would be ... something. Could be 'rawdisk'. :) But better plan for some redundancy to compensate for silent corruption. And consider that SATA connectors have a limited life (about 500

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Olivier
Gene Heskett writes: > On Monday 26 August 2019 23:55:31 Olivier wrote: > >> Gene Heskett writes: >> > Generally speaking, only because the disc is random access. >> >> But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial >> accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have be

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Olivier
Diego Zuccato writes: > Il 27/08/19 05:55, Olivier ha scritto: > >> But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial >> accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, >> it is writting files the size of one Amanda's chunk. In fact, that would >> be worth a

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Olivier
Jon LaBadie writes: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:44:02AM +0200, Diego Zuccato wrote: >> Il 27/08/19 05:55, Olivier ha scritto: >> >> > But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial >> > accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, >> > it is writting

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:44:02AM +0200, Diego Zuccato wrote: > Il 27/08/19 05:55, Olivier ha scritto: > > > But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial > > accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, > > it is writting files the size of one Amanda

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Diego Zuccato
Il 27/08/19 05:55, Olivier ha scritto: > But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial > accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, > it is writting files the size of one Amanda's chunk. In fact, that would > be worth a study: the disk usage for vtap

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 August 2019 23:55:31 Olivier wrote: > Gene Heskett writes: > > Generally speaking, only because the disc is random access. > > But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial > accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, > it is writting f

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Olivier
Gene Heskett writes: > Generally speaking, only because the disc is random access. But a disk dedicated to vtapes should be doing a lot of sequetial accesses: once it has been formatted and the slots have been assigned, it is writting files the size of one Amanda's chunk. In fact, that would be

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 26 August 2019 21:42:29 Olivier wrote: > ghe writes: > > Stan and Debra have convinced me to bite the bullet and buy a new > > tape. I've never been in this situation before (the DLT drive used > > to fail every once in a while, but a couple hours with a jeweler's > > screwdriver got it

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:01:58 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > But AFAIK, tapes don't maintain an allocation map, and we have no > tape writing tools so organized as to be able to implement such a > scheme. Not entirely true. Tape drives such as Colorado Memory Systems' QIC drives were random access,

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Olivier
ghe writes: > Stan and Debra have convinced me to bite the bullet and buy a new tape. > I've never been in this situation before (the DLT drive used to fail > every once in a while, but a couple hours with a jeweler's screwdriver > got it going again). > > Looks like I'm going to have a spare, mi

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread ghe
On 8/26/19 5:20 PM, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote: > I haven't looked closely at tape drives in a few years, but others on > this list certainly have in-depth experience with them. I think some of > the specific answers do depend on what tape-drive technology/generation > you are using, so it mi

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Debra S Baddorf
Cheap is defined in comparison with “how long will it take to recreate all that data by hand, if it’s lost”. The value of that may depend on your reason for doing a backup. Deb Baddorf Fermilab > On Aug 26, 2019, at 6:39 PM, ghe wrote: > > On 8/26/19 4:16 PM, stan wrote: > >> Tapes are cheap

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread ghe
On 8/26/19 2:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > I did that once for a very old hard drive, permanently allocating about > 30 sectors to a file named badsectors.fd. Worked great. That's a clever idea... > But AFAIK, tapes don't maintain an allocation map, and we have no tape > writing tools so organ

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread ghe
On 8/26/19 4:16 PM, stan wrote: > Tapes are cheap! Define 'cheap' :-) There's a significant difference between what Google and I consider cheap... > What technology BTW. LTO-5 I'm a newcomer from the DLT world. Those were reasonably cheap by my definition... -- Glenn English

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Nathan Stratton Treadway
of tapes in rotation, so from use to use a particular tape would sometimes be used shortly after the heads were cleaned -- and thus we could be pretty sure that it really was a bad tape if the error happened consistently over many cycles.) Regarding utilities to "validate" the tape: as far as

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 16 August 2019 13:38:45 ghe wrote: > I have reason to believe that one of my tapes isn't working properly > (last night's backup died without finishing because of a tape error -- > the retry running right now successfully flushed last night's and > wrote a new one). > > Is there an Amand

Re: bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread Debra S Baddorf
Try “man amcheckdump” It might give you what you want. Deb Baddorf Fermilab > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:38 PM, ghe wrote: > > I have reason to believe that one of my tapes isn't working properly > (last night's backup died without finishing because of a tape error -- > the retry running right

bad tape?

2019-08-26 Thread ghe
I have reason to believe that one of my tapes isn't working properly (last night's backup died without finishing because of a tape error -- the retry running right now successfully flushed last night's and wrote a new one). Is there an Amanda utility that will validate a tape without destroying th

Re: Bad tape or worse news?

2003-12-03 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 01:32:11AM -0800, Jack Twilley wrote: > *** A TAPE ERROR OCCURRED: [writing label: short write]. How much was written to the tape before this message appeared? Anything at all? Look for a line like this in the NOTES section: taper: tape twilley008 kb 12033408 fm 8 writ

Re: Bad tape or worse news?

2003-12-03 Thread Richard Morse
On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 04:50 AM, C.Scheeder wrote: H, i'm no free-bsd guru, but Jack Twilley schrieb: Here's the uname output: FreeBSD duchess.twilley.org 5.1-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT #0: Sat Nov 8 00:40:54 PST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DUCHESS i386

Re: Bad tape or worse news?

2003-12-03 Thread C.Scheeder
H, i'm no free-bsd guru, but Jack Twilley schrieb: Here's the uname output: FreeBSD duchess.twilley.org 5.1-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT #0: Sat Nov 8 00:40:54 PST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DUCHESS i386 I'm running amanda out of ports: amanda-client-2.4.4_2,1 The A

Bad tape or worse news?

2003-12-03 Thread Jack Twilley
Here's the uname output: FreeBSD duchess.twilley.org 5.1-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT #0: Sat Nov 8 00:40:54 PST 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DUCHESS i386 I'm running amanda out of ports: amanda-client-2.4.4_2,1 The Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver (clie ama

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-25 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 10:46:10AM +0100, Martin Oehler wrote: > Hi! > > Am Mo, 2003-11-24 um 13.54 schrieb Gene Heskett: > > On Monday 24 November 2003 03:46, Martin Oehler wrote: > > [...] > > Doing this to a tape also should tell you whether or not the drives > > internal compression is in us

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-25 Thread Martin Oehler
Hi! Am Mo, 2003-11-24 um 23.30 schrieb Eric Siegerman: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:46:31AM +0100, Martin Oehler wrote: > > Hmm, the only option that sounds like it could speed up the [amtapetype] process > > is blocksize. Does anyone know a good value for this? > > The same value as amdump will

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-25 Thread Martin Oehler
Hi! Am Mo, 2003-11-24 um 13.54 schrieb Gene Heskett: > On Monday 24 November 2003 03:46, Martin Oehler wrote: [...] > Doing this to a tape also should tell you whether or not the drives > internal compression is in use, which for amanda, should be turned > off as that hides the true size of the

Re: amtapetype idea (Was: Testing tapes before use / bad tape)

2003-11-24 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 07:14:56PM +0100, Paul Bijnens wrote: > My idea was to write only one large file in the first pass, just > until [amtapetype] hits end of tape. One problem with that is that the drive's internal buffering might distort the results, by letting amtapetype think it has success

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-24 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:46:31AM +0100, Martin Oehler wrote: > Hmm, the only option that sounds like it could speed up the [amtapetype] process > is blocksize. Does anyone know a good value for this? The same value as amdump will be using! With some tape technologies, the tape's capacity depen

Re: amtapetype idea (Was: Testing tapes before use / bad tape)

2003-11-24 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 07:14:56PM +0100, Paul Bijnens wrote: > Jon LaBadie wrote: > > >Might it be a good idea to have amtapetype note too many files > >being written during the first phase and taking some action? > >Maybe with an option to override the checking. > > My idea was to write only on

Re: amtapetype idea (Was: Testing tapes before use / bad tape)

2003-11-24 Thread Paul Bijnens
Jon LaBadie wrote: Might it be a good idea to have amtapetype note too many files being written during the first phase and taking some action? Maybe with an option to override the checking. My idea was to write only one large file in the first pass, just until it hits end of tape. Then rewind and

amtapetype idea (Was: Testing tapes before use / bad tape)

2003-11-24 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 10:23:12AM +0100, Paul Bijnens wrote: > > Read on a few lines further in the man page. The most important > parameter for speed is the estimated size. It's the stop/start when > writing a filemark that slows down the most. The default estimated > size is 1 Gbyte. Amtape

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-24 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:46:31AM +0100, Martin Oehler wrote: > Hi! > > Am So, 2003-11-23 um 14.16 schrieb Gene Heskett: > > There is amtapetype, which will destructively write the tape till it > > hits EOT, and will tell you the size it found. See the man page for > > running options to help

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 24 November 2003 03:46, Martin Oehler wrote: >Hi! > >Am So, 2003-11-23 um 14.16 schrieb Gene Heskett: >> There is amtapetype, which will destructively write the tape till >> it hits EOT, and will tell you the size it found. See the man >> page for running options to help speed it up as i

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-24 Thread Paul Bijnens
Martin Oehler wrote: Hi! Am So, 2003-11-23 um 14.16 schrieb Gene Heskett: There is amtapetype, which will destructively write the tape till it hits EOT, and will tell you the size it found. See the man page for running options to help speed it up as its quite slow, doing 2 passes. SYNOPSIS

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-24 Thread Martin Oehler
Hi! Am So, 2003-11-23 um 14.16 schrieb Gene Heskett: > There is amtapetype, which will destructively write the tape till it > hits EOT, and will tell you the size it found. See the man page for > running options to help speed it up as its quite slow, doing 2 > passes. SYNOPSIS amtapety

Re: Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-23 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 23 November 2003 04:28, Martin Oehler wrote: >Hi! > >I'm using amanda 2.4.4p1 in combination with a Quantum SDLT 320 >tape drive. This week I received some replacement tapes for broken >ones. > >Using the first tape I got some kind of "short write" while using >amflush: >[...] >*** A TAPE

Testing tapes before use / bad tape

2003-11-23 Thread Martin Oehler
Hi! I'm using amanda 2.4.4p1 in combination with a Quantum SDLT 320 tape drive. This week I received some replacement tapes for broken ones. Using the first tape I got some kind of "short write" while using amflush: [...] *** A TAPE ERROR OCCURRED: [[writing file: Input/output error]]. [...] x

Re: Replacing a partially bad tape

2003-01-22 Thread Chris Karakas
Anthony Valentine wrote: > > I would like to replace this tape with a new one, however I don't want > Amanda to forget about the old one yet. This is also interesting in this context, although probably not exactly what you want: http://www.storagemountain.com/amanda-18.html -- Regards Chris

Re: Replacing a partially bad tape

2003-01-22 Thread Alexander JOLK
> I would like to replace this tape with a new one, however I don't want > Amanda to forget about the old one yet. I was told in very similar circumstances that `amadmin no-reuse ' was made exactly for this case. Alex -- Alexander Jolk / BUF Compagnie tel +33-1 42 68 18 28 /

RE: Replacing a partially bad tape

2003-01-21 Thread Bort, Paul
Just wait until amcheck is calling for that tape number, then label it with the -f (force) option, and use it. > -Original Message- > From: Anthony Valentine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:01 PM > To: Amanda Users > Subject: Replacing a par

Replacing a partially bad tape

2003-01-21 Thread Anthony Valentine
Hello! I have a tape that has gone bad, however the damage is very near the end of the tape, so that I am still able to get data off of the beginning. I would like to replace this tape with a new one, however I don't want Amanda to forget about the old one yet. Aside from waiting until the day i

Replacing bad tape

2001-12-07 Thread Michael Williams
ICould someone point me in the right direction on how to replace a tape in rotation that has broken? Michael -- Michael Williams Instructional Technology Haywood County Schools 216 Charles St. Clyde, NC 28721 http://www.k12linux.org (828) 627-8314 "If w

Re: Replacing bad tape

2001-12-07 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 at 1:07pm, Michael Williams wrote > ICould someone point me in the right direction on how to replace a tape in > rotation that has broken? > You need to 'amrmtape' the broken tape. As soon as you do, amanda will want a new tape on the next run (since you'll have < tapecycle

Re: how do you test for a bad tape...?

2001-08-28 Thread Marc SCHAEFER
John W. Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sure this is something I should probably already know, aside from > being mildly off-topic, but is there a way to test a tape for quality > *before* you put a backup on it? I just had a brand new tape come back The built-in SCSI chg driver tests for

how do you test for a bad tape...?

2001-08-28 Thread John W. Price
Hi all: I'm sure this is something I should probably already know, aside from being mildly off-topic, but is there a way to test a tape for quality *before* you put a backup on it? I just had a brand new tape come back with i/o errors while trying to restore a backup (this after I had just start