[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-05 Thread Thomas Doyle
- From: Bob Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu To: Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1...@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; andrew abken kn...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question Not sure why anyone would want to maintain

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-05 Thread Art McBride
is very desirable. Art, KC6UQH -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob Bruninga Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 3:25 PM To: Thomas Doyle Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; andrew abken Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-05 Thread i8cvs
@amsat.org; 'andrew abken' kn...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question Bob, Just a reminder, a QFH antenna is circularly polarized over the whole envelope of the antenna. A sharp null exists on the back side. A one

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-05 Thread Art McBride
Message- From: i8cvs [mailto:domenico.i8...@tin.it] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 3:27 PM To: AMSAT-BB; Bob Bruninga ; kc6...@cox.net; Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question Hi Art, KC6UQH It is correct that a QFH is circularly polarized over the whole

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Thomas Doyle
Andy, I believe that is true but that does not explain why the optimum polarity setting on the receive end would change during a pass. Perhaps there is some sort of Faraday Rotation effect but I do not believe that it can change the direction of the circular polarized signal but who knows what

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread andrew abken
Hi Tom, I have also noticed the switching of polarity as the sat travels over. What I have understood to be the mode by which this is occuring comes from the fact that circular polarized antennas change polarity as you move out of the main radiation lobe. The main lobe is circular

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Bob Bruninga
I believe that is true but that does not explain why the optimum polarity setting on the receive end would change during a pass. That's easy. The circularity on a pair of crossed dipoles (about all you can get on a spacecraft) May be designed for Right hand circularity when viewed from

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Thomas Doyle
Bob, Thanks for the reply. A student of mine once told me that if someone tells you something is easy - it is not. Even though this is not only easy but very easy I still need a slight clarification. I think it boils down to the orientation of the satellite relative to the center of the earth.

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Bob DeVarney W1ICW
I can't explain it but have noticed the same polarity changes during a pass. Like S-9 to S-1/nothing switching between polarities with my antennas... it's been handy to actually have the ability to change polarities in the past for me. I do not have the ability to polarity switch on 2 meters,

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread andrew abken
Tom, I don't think any one who designs a system wants this to occur, but as a function of overall system cost it is one of the unavoidable realities. Its actually a great compromise, because with only a 3db loss you can use a linear rec. antenna with no polarity switching, and avoid

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Stephen Melachrinos
Not sure why anyone would want to maintain the orientation of the satellite in such a way that would cause the direction of circular polarization to change during the path. There are two perspectives in answering this. 1. You used the word maintain, which implies the ability of the

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread Bob Bruninga
Not sure why anyone would want to maintain the orientation of the satellite in such a way that would cause the direction of circular polarization to change during the path. Lets try this approach... As I said before, By the laws of physics, what comes out one side of a circular polarized

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread i8cvs
Hi Thomas, W9KE In a separate email I have sent to you a very compreensive article explaining why during an orbit of a LEO satellite like FO-29 the changes in polarization is generated. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1...@gmail.com To:

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread i8cvs
transmit linearly with opposite polarity you get more than 20dB of fading. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: andrew abken kn...@hotmail.com To: tomdoyle1...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:45 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization

[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question

2012-08-04 Thread i8cvs
...@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; andrew abken kn...@hotmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna Polarization Technical Question Not sure why anyone would want to maintain the orientation of the satellite in such a way that would cause the direction