[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-18 Thread otherm...@k0nr.com
Steve Meuse wrote: When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can do whatever they like. That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources. I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :) -Steve Me, too. The Board just

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-16 Thread Timothy Pickett
Hi All, I mostly just read the messages on the -bb, I don't post one very often. But I just wanted to offer my support for the AUP also. It has been needed for a long time. The problem people on here need to quit making problems, and just take action if they think they can do better. Run for

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-16 Thread Bob McGwier
Actually my view of it is a bit earthier as I am sure most of those who know will attest, I am a bit of an earthy character. So please allow me not to disappoint. All of the BS that is in this forum, the manure which has been ripped of any of its nutritional value and thus utterly devoid of

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Clint Bradford
... Censorship in any form without external control is unacceptable ... AMSAT is not censoring anyone. In America, only the government is not allowed to censor folks. You know, that First Amendment thingie: Congress shall make no law respecting ... abridging the freedom of speech ... This

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Rocky Jones
Clint. I dont agree with much of that. I agree that the 1st amendment only applies to government at all levels (through the 14th)...but moderating the discussion to delete such things as death threats or whatever is far different then moderating it to put a particular group or sub group in

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Clint Bradford
... but the guidelines are so broad as to be meaningless ... I see the guidelines as a verbose version of: Be a responsible citizen of the planet. Clint ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Peter Scheller
Right on Clint. Bad behavior used to get you a spanking as a kid. Since things have changed now, some (now) grown ups have missed out on etiquette. Peter NH6VB From: clintbra...@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:15:59 -0800 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Joel Black
I agree that if you don't like how things are being run: 1. leave, 2. vote out the BoD and vote in new, or 3. form your own organization. What I disagree with is the statement, AMSAT is not 'censoring' anyone. Now, I'm no lawyer by any stretch, but I can read. Censoring is limiting speech

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Clint Bradford
So, whether you call it censorship or abridging, what the AMSAT BoD has done is censorship ... Last time I looked, AMSAT was not an arm of the United States government. They are not censoring anyone. They are moderating and controlling their messagegroups. This is a private party - NOT a

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread David - KG4ZLB
It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but really folks, lets look at the facts! The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with respected and influential members all over the World.

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Jack K.
Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:37 PM To: Joel Black jbblac...@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship So, whether you call it censorship or abridging, what the AMSAT BoD has done is censorship ... Last time I looked

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Rocky Jones
. Strangelove Robert WB5MZO life member CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: clintbra...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:57:22 -0800 To: orbit...@hotmail.com ... but the guidelines are so broad as to be meaningless ... I see the guidelines

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Eric Christensen
I guess this is as good a time to say this as any... Ummm... if AMSAT is going to only allow yea sayers then would your message have made it through? Have a nice day! Eric W4OTN On 01/15/2010 06:08 PM, Jack K. wrote: Sounds like a good definition for elitist rule to me, however you coat

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Steve Meuse
Joel Black expunged (jbblac...@gmail.com): What I disagree with is the statement, AMSAT is not 'censoring' anyone. Now, I'm no lawyer by any stretch, but I can read. Censoring is limiting speech based on what one finds objectionable. What is objectionable is completely subjective. When

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Steve Meuse wrote: When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can do whatever they like. That's not censorship, that's protecting their own resources. I, for one, welcome our new mailing list overlords :) -Steve Spot on Steve, along with David's earlier

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Rocky Jones
When you are using the private resources of the AMSAT corporation, they can do whatever they like. -Steve N1JFU - http://n1jfu.blogspot.com - sme...@twitter that probably holds true (I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but I have been associated in a governing capacity

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Edward Cole
At 02:09 PM 1/15/2010, David - KG4ZLB wrote: It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being discussed but really folks, lets look at the facts! The whole issue revolves around just a few members/posters who continually try and push the boundaries on what is a large list with respected

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Rocky Jones
lol Robert WB5MZO life member Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:55:09 -0900 To: kg4...@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org From: kl...@acsalaska.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship At 02:09 PM 1/15/2010, David - KG4ZLB wrote: It's not altogether surprising that this topic is being

[amsat-bb] Re: It's NOT Censorship

2010-01-15 Thread Bob- W7LRD
Well said David, now a new subject matter gets the delete key. DX-ing on AO-7 Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: David - KG4ZLB kg4...@googlemail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:09:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: It's