[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the satellites.

2011-06-09 Thread aa2tx
Hi Doug, Here is the best article on the subject with an explanation of why and what to do: http://www.amsat.org/amsat/features/one_true_rule.html Welcome to satellites! 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT, VP Engineering --- - Original Message - From: Douglas Phelps

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Tom Schaefer, NY4I
A rookie observation…. That article was written in 1994—well prior to the state of the art in full doppler correction. I use MacDoppler for adjusting the VFOs and it happily adjusts both of them. The ONLY time I run into a problem where the received station is moving is when it is clear

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
It's certainly the case that many people operate out in the field and do not have a computer available. My radios are not computer controlled, even in the shack. On 09-Jun-11 11:08, Tom Schaefer, NY4I wrote: Is the state of the art still such that we are all using radios that do not support

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread n0jy
Certainly desirable Tom, but I've been in Amsat and on the birds since the '70s and it wasn't until the last couple of years that I got my PC hooked to my FT-736R! And then just this year to get it hooked to my FT-817 (IF) radio. I will say that there's nothing better than PC doppler and rotator

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Joe
I always varied the transmit. This way the person I'm talking to as well as any other listeners are all on the same freq listening. Growing up on the birds when you had to twist the BIG knob to keep everyone on freq is not not a big deal. And to this day i still don't know why it seems to be

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread n0jy
OK my brain may be playing tricks, but if you vary only your transmit frequency such that you always hear yourself on the same downlink frequency, isn't it true that the other station may not necessarily be hearing you on the same downlink frequency and is chasing you anyway? Your doppler is

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Joe
doppler effects both paths, up and down. so at least if everyone is listening to a 100Hz freq tone at 100 Hz, we are all on the same freq. Joe WB9SBD The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 6/9/2011 9:35 AM, n...@lavabit.com wrote: OK my brain may

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread David Palmer KB5WIA
Jerry's correct. If you only adjust your transmit frequency, such that your receive frequency appears to stay the same -- then you're automatically correcting for your own downlink doppler, but not for anyone elses. Other hams in the footprint will still have to chase you. The only way to stick

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)
Hi! That being said, adjusting the higher (UHF) transmit frequency on VO-52 and AO-07 only (ie. manual control) will get you pretty close, and you won't drift a whole lot.  I hear plenty of hams doing this, as long as there are just one or a two QSO's going on, they don't drift into each

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Tom Schaefer, NY4I
This is a great thread. Well, I am going to continue with full doppler and just resolve myself to tuning in some people that are not quite there yet. As a lot, I would think adding computer control to handle full doppler would not be that big a deal nowadays as most of the programs support it.

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread John Becker
At 01:01 PM 6/9/2011, you wrote: Actually, if stations would spread out a bit more on the transponders, this would be even less of an issue. There is so much space that goes to waste on these transponders, when everyone seems to never go more than a few kHz up or down from the center. True.

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Langdon
At 04:06 AM 6/10/2011, Tom Schaefer, NY4I wrote: This is a great thread. Well, I am going to continue with full doppler and just resolve myself to tuning in some people that are not quite there yet. As a lot, I would think adding computer control to handle full doppler would not be that big a

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread Joe Krepps
So for the operator with a single FT-817ND - understanding there will be a learning curve in regards to doppler, doing the Arrow wave entertaining and/or frightening the neighbors, is AO-7 do-able or just not a really good idea? Won't be ticked off if the answer is probably best not to try.

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the Satellites

2011-06-09 Thread B J
snip So for the operator with a single FT-817ND - understanding there will be a learning curve in regards to doppler, doing the Arrow wave entertaining and/or frightening the neighbors, is AO-7 do-able or just not a really good idea? Won't be ticked off if the answer is probably

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the satellites.

2011-06-08 Thread Tony Langdon
At 10:59 AM 6/9/2011, Douglas Phelps wrote: If you do not have a sat program automatically correcting you rig frequency, what is the most common or preffered technique? 1 - Hold the TX steady and adj the RX for doppler or 2- Hold the RX steady and adjust the TX for doppler? I know this must be

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the satellites.

2011-06-08 Thread Jari Koivurinne
I am new to the satellites.  Got to where I can hear my downlink if the bird is higher than 15 degrees.  My question is about handling the doppler shift. If you do not have a sat program automatically correcting you rig frequency, what is the most common or preffered technique?  1 - Hold

[amsat-bb] Re: SSB Operation on the satellites.

2011-06-08 Thread i8cvs
Hi Doug, KA9DLP Hold the RX steady and adjust the TX for doppler.This is what I did manually from OSCAR-6 and I do actually on VO-52, FO-29 and OSCAR-7 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Douglas Phelps dphel...@ameritech.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, June 09,