Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 11:38:52PM +0100, Sander Steffann wrote: But the RIPE NCC isn't an official party in that contract. The contract is between end user and LIR. Well... Considering that such a contract must be submitted to, and approved by, the RIPE NCC (or it will not result in the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

As sascha says and for once I agree with him, It can be argued that the LIR is a mere intermediary in this transaction, and executing contracts with the end user while standing in for ripe ncc. Like, say, a VW car dealer - who sells you a Passat TDI diesel car and their name is on all the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Hi Gert On 06/11/2015 10:00, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 06:01:53AM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: +1 here - though for step 3 it might be an idea to check just how many such objects are there and with what frequency they pop up. Some of these funny announcements

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On 06/11/2015 05:09, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message <20151106003148.gx47...@cilantro.c4inet.net>, "Sascha Luck [ml]" wrote: On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:48:43PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Laugh now... while you can. Threats again, is it? I call on the chairs

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] AS's with route objects for undelegated space

Richard, Thanks for all of this. I had read the beginning of your earlier posts, but then got very distracted and was only reminded about them recently. I have asked Registration Services in the NCC to look at this and hopefully some light may be able to be shed or progress made. We shall

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Denis, On 05/11/2015 19:40, ripede...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI all I am going to have one last go at solving this problem. I challenge anyone/everyone to tell me why this is such a stupid idea, technically impossible to do, won't solve any of the issues partially or fully. Then I can shut up about

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

Hi, On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 03:58:26PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: [..] > >This really does matter. Even with a valid RIPE ASN they cannot 'steal' > >RIPE address space. > > Really??? > > If so, that's great news! > > Did everyone finally agree to use only fully authenticated route >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Hi, On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 06:01:53AM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > +1 here - though for step 3 it might be an idea to check just how many such > objects are there and with what frequency they pop up. > > Some of these funny announcements can be short lived indeed - only lasting a >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

>From a systems perspective the discussion below is exactly backwards. A millions-user system dependent for correct operation (e.g. one not promoting abuse [the subject of this list]) must be [re]designed to place the onus on the user not the registrar. Rule: if your data are not correct, you

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On 06/11/2015 15:22, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 10:01:33AM -0500, Jeffrey Race wrote: The matter of the "defining discussion goal" will have to be taken up in order to make progress on this list's putative purpose of "anti-abuse." Had you read the charter of this WG,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:22:30 +, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: >>though this makes inevitable the criminal nature of the >>mechanism they are charged with managing. > >The internet resource management mechanism as managed by RIRs and >LIRS is "of a criminal nature", do I understand you correctly?

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 11:57:18AM -0500, Jeffrey Race wrote: The internet resource management mechanism as managed by RIRs and LIRS is "of a criminal nature", do I understand you correctly? The mechanism is the internet Uhuh. I guess it's just as well that barely any operators seem to read

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at 07:23:39PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: That is what floating this in the db wg will establish - whether it is actually a member revolt or one individual???s opinion Consensus is a wonderful thing when it is achieved You're touching on a very sore point for me.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] unsubscribe

Paul, On 06/11/2015 12:11, Paul Skram wrote: *I don't have time to read your endless bickering and insults.* *You people need to learn how to effectively communicate. If you wish to unsubscribe you can do so via: https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg Brian

[anti-abuse-wg] unsubscribe

I don't have time to read your endless bickering and insults. You people need to learn how to effectively communicate.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

You have misunderstood the English words. I said that the mechanism by which the internet operates was slackly designed and is slackly operated so has become a cesspool of criminality. Jeffrey Race On Fri, 6 Nov 2015 17:14:22 +, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: >On Fri, Nov 06, 2015 at

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

Denis, On 06/11/2015 11:01, denis wrote: Hi Brian On 06/11/2015 11:29, Brian Nisbet wrote: Denis, On 05/11/2015 19:40, ripede...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: HI all I am going to have one last go at solving this problem. I challenge anyone/everyone to tell me why this is such a stupid idea,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

In message <563c8773.7000...@yahoo.co.uk>, denis wrote: >> It may seem like I am quibbling over a minor semantic point here, and >> perhaps I am, but I think that it is somewhat inaccurate to say that >> there's no relationship at all between RIPE / RIPE NCC and the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Solving the issue of rogue ROUTE objects in the RIPE Database

In message <563c953c.6050...@yahoo.co.uk>, denis wrote: >I don't claim this will solve all the problems of the universe, but it >does satisfy an immediate goal to have all ROUTE objects in the RIPE >Database created with the knowledge and approval of the related