Re: [anti-abuse-wg] The well-behaved ISP's role in spamfight

2017-02-13 Thread peter h
On Monday 13 February 2017 18.09, Richard Clayton wrote: > In message <201702131743.10508.pe...@hk.ipsec.se>, peter h > writes > > >The very simplest thing to do is make sure any outbound smtp is relaye > >through > >the ISP's > >mailrelays, where spam could be detected and subsequently blocked.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] The well-behaved ISP's role in spamfight

2017-02-13 Thread Sascha Luck [ml]
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 05:43:09PM +0100, peter h wrote: The role for an ISP in fighting abuse is to detect and prevent it's customer from sending malware & spam out of it's network. Not filter incoming stuff, that would be censoring. And requiring to submit publications to a third party for ap

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] The well-behaved ISP's role in spamfight

2017-02-13 Thread Richard Clayton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message <201702131743.10508.pe...@hk.ipsec.se>, peter h writes >The very simplest thing to do is make sure any outbound smtp is relaye through >the ISP's >mailrelays, where spam could be detected and subsequently blocked. this is very unpopular

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] The well-behaved ISP's role in spamfight

2017-02-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I wish it were that clear cut. You also have a role to protect your customers against threats, and to ensure that their mailbox is at least usable rather than deluged with spam. Being proactive about postmaster complaints and being sensitive to false positives in filtering is a useful middle p

[anti-abuse-wg] The well-behaved ISP's role in spamfight

2017-02-13 Thread peter h
As my wife urged me to clarify things :-) The role for an ISP in fighting abuse is to detect and prevent it's customer from sending malware & spam out of it's network. Not filter incoming stuff, that would be censoring. A number of means is available for an ISP, most provided that a customer has

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] LEA requests 2016

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017

2017-02-13 Thread peter h
On Monday 13 February 2017 16.27, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > The above is , of course wrong. spam is illegal, and delivered by > illegal means, > > well. i hate to break it to you, but filtering it at an isp level, and > all activities of so-called self-declared 'blacklists' a

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017

2017-02-13 Thread peter h
On Monday 13 February 2017 15.09, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > On 13 فبر, 2017 ص 09:42, Marilson wrote: > > Finally someone telling the truth. > > Yesterday Peter H answering to Olaf: > > >> SPAM... is NOT... abuse. spam is fully legal. neither technical > > abuse nor a crime o

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12

2017-02-13 Thread Brian Nisbet
Afternoon, I should clarify, the subscription change was not made by the WG Chairs nor the NCC. It's possible you made it by accident, but I think the change happened sometime around early October 2015. I've determined this from looking at when your responses changed to be responding to the Di

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12

2017-02-13 Thread Marilson
Hi Rob, > you appear to be subscribed to the ‘digest’ version rather than the main > discussion list, which will result in a delay to you Oh really! I thought there was no favoritism here. I heard that three times last week, offlist. As you wrote I must be subscribed to the DIGEST version, if

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12

2017-02-13 Thread Rob Evans
Marilson, > How do you know what I wrote considering that my message about "Why SPAM > exists" has not been published? If so, why did not I get it in my mail? Either we are all exceptionally good at extra-sensory perception, or your emails are coming through to the list. However, you appear to

[anti-abuse-wg] Why spam is abuse in several aspects

2017-02-13 Thread peter h
Spam is a plague that costs us a lot in time and money. It's the abuseive habit off sending ads and malware through stolen channels. If spammers were running their own server and paying for their Internet access it would be a lot less of a problem. But as it is (and have been that last 10 years

[anti-abuse-wg] LEA requests 2016

2017-02-13 Thread Athina Fragkouli
Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has published a transparency report that details the nature of the requests we received from law enforcement agencies (LEAs) in 2016. https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-678 Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Head of Legal RIPE NCC

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Why SPAM exists in 2017

2017-02-13 Thread Marilson
Finally someone telling the truth. Yesterday Peter H answering to Olaf: >> SPAM... is NOT... abuse. spam is fully legal. neither technical abuse nor a >> crime or anything else > WRONG. SPAM is illegal in sweden and EU. >> and in the few cases where it could be a crime, just call the feds. it