Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 10/May/2024 13:57:44 +0200 Nick Hilliard wrote: Serge, there's been extensive debate on AAWG over the years about the principles behind your additional suggestions below, but very little consensus. If sanctioning is added to the charter of a new security-wg, this lack of consensus is l

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
Serge It’s not a matter of “comfort zones” – which Nick explained quite articulately RIPE currently does not have the power to do a lot of things. The WG cannot magically change that. If you look at the current “debate” raging on the main members’ list, people are arguing over a potential 50 e

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Michele RIPE currently does not have the power to do a lot of things. The WG cannot magically change that. This is the old merry go round. Maybe RIPE NCC needs to change certain things, or it will be changed for them. The WG could provide guidance and suggest possible avenues where RIP

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
RIPE NCC doesn’t really need member input or consensus to change a lot of this. Certainly not in tightening or enforcing due diligence procedures rather than charging 50 euro an ASN —srs From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg Sent: Mond

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
Suresh It might be helpful to discuss this with them. I’m sure there are *some* things that they could do without putting it to the members, but there’s a lot of things that would need member agreement in order to change. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Col

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

2024-05-13 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
That's fine. The WG can make suggestions, RIPE NCC considers this, and if necessary asks the members, possibly explaining, or asking the WG to explain why the change makes sense. Most people are sensible. I don't see where there is a problem. Best Serge On 13.05.24 16:11, Michele Neylon - Bla