Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") Reminder

2020-08-18 Thread Erik Bais
anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Brian Nisbet Date: Monday 17 August 2020 at 09:42 To: "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") Reminder Folks, Just to remind you all, the current Review Phase is formally due to end

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") Reminder

2020-08-17 Thread Arash Naderpour
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[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox") Reminder

2020-08-17 Thread Brian Nisbet
Folks, Just to remind you all, the current Review Phase is formally due to end tomorrow. If you haven't, then now is an excellent opportunity to look at Petrit's email from the 22nd of July and to read the Impact Analysis from the NCC and make any comments you wish to make. Thanks, Brian

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-22 Thread Petrit Hasani
Hi Jordi, Please find below the answer to your questions: - We have provided our own data from 2019 to be used as a comparison. I do see why the numbers derived from our data would be a gross overestimation and why any other RIR set of data would provide a more accurate estimation. Even if

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-21 Thread Nick Hilliard
Hi Petrit, Petrit Hasani wrote on 20/07/2020 18:46: The financial cost approximation of a proposal is not part of the Impact Analysis and the Policy Development Process, so we have not made a calculation. As too many factors have to be taken into account that we can't estimate realistically at

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread Leo Vegoda
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:43 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: [...] > [Jordi] We agree here, no doubt. I just wanted to stress the point that many > folks in the community may still believe that we have over 92.5% correct > abuse mailboxes, which is not the case (I said

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Petrit, Tks for the quick response! Responding in-line below. El 20/7/20 20:07, "Petrit Hasani" escribió: Hi Jordi, Thank you for your feedback. I will try to address each point, please do let me know if I miss something. I would like to start with your last comment about

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread Petrit Hasani
Hi Jordi, Thank you for your feedback. I will try to address each point, please do let me know if I miss something. I would like to start with your last comment about implementation in other RIRs, which may help clarify some of your other concerns as well. The Impact Analysis is based on the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread Petrit Hasani
Hello Nick, The financial cost approximation of a proposal is not part of the Impact Analysis and the Policy Development Process, so we have not made a calculation. As too many factors have to be taken into account that we can't estimate realistically at this stage of the PDP. I would like to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Petrit, Tks for the impact analysis! However, I think there are some aspects not well covered. 1) It is clear, unless you can provide stats about that, that we don't really know if the 92.5% of the automated validations check are *really* correct in the sense of being able to receive

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
Petrit Hasani wrote on 20/07/2020 14:07: As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Review Phase is to continue discussion of the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document. This is the second

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Because using a form mean a manual process. You can't automate the forms, unless *all* the LIRs use the same form. If you have a very small number of abuse cases to report, it may be feasible, but not in normal circumstances. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 20/7/20 15:54, "anti-abuse-wg en

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread PP
I don't understand why it would exclude the use of forms to submit abuse information. When submitting by a form, it reaches the host nearly 100% of the time. The same cannot be said for email based submissions. On 20/07/2020 11:07 pm, Petrit Hasani wrote: Dear colleagues, Policy proposal

[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-04 Review Phase (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-07-20 Thread Petrit Hasani
Dear colleagues, Policy proposal 2019-04, "Validation of "abuse-mailbox"", is now in the Review Phase. This proposal aims to have the RIPE NCC validate "abuse-c:” information more often and introduces a new validation process. The RIPE NCC has prepared an impact analysis to support the