Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I don't think we need any security team for Arch. New packages are released within a week of their updates. GPG signing and md5sum verification is a must though. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs more than twice as fast compared to ext4

2010-03-15 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Monday 15 March 2010 15:44:35 Nathan Wayde wrote: > On 13/03/10 03:05, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Just wanted to share an interesting experience I had today. > > > > Check http://ghodechhap.net/btrfs.performance.txt > > Maybe you're looking for http://docs.python.org/library/f

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.33.1-1

2010-03-15 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
On 03/15/2010 08:14 PM, Eric Bélanger wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote: No idea if it is time for signoff yet, I have to check that with tpowa. However, I put 2.6.31.1 in testing with these changes: - Added a trivial patch to support my touchpad (selfish, I know

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 23:03, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: [..] >>> 2) resume and finish the gpg work for pacman & friends >> >> Sure, that is worth doing. Is it really a task for a dedicated security >> team? >> It sounds more like a one-time thing for a

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: >> >> 1) what allan said : >> A group could monitor security issues and file bugs to get the devs to >> fix them. > > Is there any evidence that this is actually needed? > No, Allan asked for some numbers, and I am curious too. > My impres

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 08:42, Magnus Therning wrote: On 15/03/10 22:34, Xavier Chantry wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though. Arch doesn't have releases. Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some cases

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 22:34, Xavier Chantry wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: >> After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though. Arch >> doesn't have releases. Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some >> cases even too closely ;-) >> >> So, if

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Magnus Therning wrote: > After a quick look at it I don't see much that would apply though.  Arch > doesn't have releases.  Arch follows upstream releases very closes (in some > cases even too closely ;-) > > So, if there is no need for backporting to a set of pac

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 22:03, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:32 -0700 > Thayer Williams wrote: >> >> No offence taken and FWIW a lot of people switch distros because of >> one or two fundamental needs that aren't meant. This wouldn't be any >> different. >> >> Look forward to hearing wha

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Magnus Therning
On 15/03/10 21:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: [..] > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team? I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm switching > to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, it's one > deficiency is a pretty glarin

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:56:32 -0700 Thayer Williams wrote: > > No offence taken and FWIW a lot of people switch distros because of > one or two fundamental needs that aren't meant. This wouldn't be any > different. > > Look forward to hearing what you have to say... I'd like to help get things

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 07:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:29:45 +1000 Allan McRae wrote: As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could improve in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements and several other distros security releases for the past few months

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Thayer Williams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Thayer Williams wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar > wrote: >> Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel >> strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm >> switching to another distro. Despite

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Thayer Williams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team?  I feel > strongly enough about it that if something can't be done then I'm > switching to another distro. Despite the fact that I really like Arch, > it's one deficiency is a pre

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Gaurish Sharma
On Tuesday 16 Mar 2010 2:59:45 am Allan McRae wrote: > > As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could improve > in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements and several > other distros security releases for the past few months and from what I > see, I believe Arc

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 17:43, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > Would there be any enthusiasm for a dedicated security team? This has been proposed multiple times, but oddly enough no one who has proposed it has ever taken any steps to make it happen...

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:29:45 +1000 Allan McRae wrote: > > As an aside, I would like to see some numbers on where we could > improve in this area. I have been following the CVE announcements > and several other distros security releases for the past few months > and from what I see, I believe Arc

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Allan McRae
On 16/03/10 06:37, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals when they are finished. Simple: File a bug report or feature reques

Re: [arch-general] twm: cannot open fontset

2010-03-15 Thread Thanos Zygouris
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 19:32, Daenyth Blank > wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 09:14, Thanos Zygouris > wrote: > > But when i changed my $LANG from en_US.utf8 to C, twm worked! > Is en_US.utf8 uncommented in locale.gen and have you rebuilt locales? > Yes. (The command is locale-gen,right?)

[arch-general] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.32.10-1

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Bächler
Packages are NOT in testing (as 2.6.33 is there), but available from http://dev.archlinux.org/~thomas/kernel26/ Please sign off. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: >> The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals >> when they are finished. > > Simple: File a bug report or feature request at bugs.archlinux.org. No idea >

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Allow comments on closed bugs?

2010-03-15 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:33:48 -0600 schrieb Aaron Griffin : > Mr Heiko, I know you feel you have a vested interest in this topic, > but you're just adding useless noise to the discussion. This is quite > ironic as this is EXACTLY what you claim will not happen were we to > allow comments on closed

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am Montag, 15. März 2010 20:54:03 schrieb Ananda Samaddar: > The reason I'm asking is I want to know to whom I address my proposals > when they are finished. Simple: File a bug report or feature request at bugs.archlinux.org. No idea what your "proposals" are about but you should make sure they o

[arch-general] Arch Linux security is still poor....

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
Further to my previous email a while back I've started work on some proposals that I'd like to pitch to the Arch community and the powers that be. They aren't finished yet but should be soon. The thing is I'm not really aware of the 'chain of command' in Arch. Aaron Griffin, are you the 'benevol

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Jeffrey Lynn Parke Jr.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Guus Snijders wrote: > On 15-03-10 14:07, Jeffrey Parke wrote: > > [installing XFCE, xorg] > > > Have you read the beginners guide? It's a great help for times like >> these, I'll post it below. Well what you wanna do now is to install the >> xorg group (pacman

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Linas
Peter Cannon wrote: pacman -Si xfce|less and looked for a package that might get me to a minimal desktop I could work with. I thought maybe xfdesktop... pacman -S xfdesktop Why have you done this? If you look at the 'man' page you will see http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfdesktop xfdesktop

Re: [arch-general] twm: cannot open fontset

2010-03-15 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 09:14, Thanos Zygouris wrote: > But when i changed my $LANG from en_US.utf8 to C, twm worked! Is en_US.utf8 uncommented in locale.gen and have you rebuilt locales?

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Guus Snijders
On 15-03-10 14:07, Jeffrey Parke wrote: [installing XFCE, xorg] Have you read the beginners guide? It's a great help for times like these, I'll post it below. Well what you wanna do now is to install the xorg group (pacman -S xorg) then the xfce group (pacman -S xfce4). Then move the .xinitrc f

[arch-general] twm: cannot open fontset

2010-03-15 Thread Thanos Zygouris
Hello listmates, Here is a problem i encountered: twm doesn't start...i got this message instead: /usr/bin/twm: unable to open fontset I tried almost all the fonts xfontsel showed me, including "fixed", "terminal", "terminus", but with no success... But when i changed my $LANG from en_US.utf8 t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Allow comments on closed bugs?

2010-03-15 Thread Aaron Griffin
There is already an arch-general thread about this topic. This one was intended to gauge the opinions of the _developers_ (hence the reason it was on the dev list). I am all for keeping things open, but polluting things with arguments from outside is just making this harder. And now this discussio

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Peter Cannon
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > Hello, I've been using various Linux distros for a while now. I just > decided to give Arch Linux a try. But I'm a little bit lost. I'm used to > distros like Xubuntu, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuSE, etc... Where I don't need to > personally understand what order I need to ins

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Ondřej Kučera
Hi, On 03/15/10 07:19, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: When pacman reports an error, listing just one line number like that, does it stop processing. Or does the fact that there was only one error (about icons I think) mean that everything else in the package installed successfully??? I don't kn

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Jeffrey Parke
On 03/15/2010 01:19 AM, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Hello, I've been using various Linux distros for a while now. I just decided to give Arch Linux a try. But I'm a little bit lost. I'm used to distros like Xubuntu, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuSE, etc... Where I don't need to personally understand what or

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:19:25 -0400 > > Could some nice Arch user point me at enough step by step > instructions so that I can get enough of a gui up to use a browser > like firefox so I can try to find solutions via the web while Arch is > actually running??? > > Please! > The wiki is your frie

Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Damien Churchill
On 15 March 2010 06:19, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: > > > Could some nice Arch user point me at enough step by step instructions so > that I can get enough of a gui up to use a browser like firefox so I can > try to find solutions via the web while Arch is actually running??? > http://wiki.arch

[arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!

2010-03-15 Thread Joe(theWordy)Philbrook
Hello, I've been using various Linux distros for a while now. I just decided to give Arch Linux a try. But I'm a little bit lost. I'm used to distros like Xubuntu, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuSE, etc... Where I don't need to personally understand what order I need to install which packages to get at least o

Re: [arch-general] Btrfs more than twice as fast compared to ext4

2010-03-15 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 13/03/10 03:05, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: Hi, Just wanted to share an interesting experience I had today. Check http://ghodechhap.net/btrfs.performance.txt Maybe you're looking for http://docs.python.org/library/filecmp.html One cannot help but think that you took a disk-bound process an