On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:28:58PM +0200, Manuel Reimer wrote:
> On 21.08.20 22:23, Manuel Reimer wrote:
> > A diff between the actuall file and its ".pacnew":
> >
> >
> > $ diff -U 8 -p 00-dns.sh 00-dns.sh.pacnew
> > --- 00-dns.sh 2013-05-30 19:35:30.0 +0200
> > +++ 00-dns.sh.pacnew
On 21.08.20 22:23, Manuel Reimer wrote:
A diff between the actuall file and its ".pacnew":
$ diff -U 8 -p 00-dns.sh 00-dns.sh.pacnew
--- 00-dns.sh 2013-05-30 19:35:30.0 +0200
+++ 00-dns.sh.pacnew 2020-02-20 22:37:04.0 +0100
@@ -1,7 +1,11 @@
#!/bin/sh
if [
On 21.08.20 22:09, Morten Linderud via arch-general wrote:
There are more ".pacnew" in my /etc. All for files that I never touched
myself.
That is concerning, but it is simply something touching those files you are
unaware of. It's however you system and it's expected that you are aware of
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:01:50PM +0200, Manuel Reimer wrote:
> There have to be edge cases where the replacement does not happen even if I
> never touched a file myself. But I don't know how to debug this.
No, you are mistaken. There are two issues, which is quite apparent if you do
read the
There have to be edge cases where the replacement does not happen even
if I never touched a file myself. But I don't know how to debug this.
There are more ".pacnew" in my /etc. All for files that I never touched
myself.
And about the "system-login"-thing: I'm not the only one who had this
On 8/20/20 3:52 PM, Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote:
> Now I don't understand all the defensiveness - let's all work together
> to improve things. This is not a non-issue.
That's the Arch I fondly remember. You are on this list either because (1) you
want to help, or (2) you need help.
> I don't see what all the fuss is about
>
> If you're using Arch, then you should:
>
> 1. Check Arch news before running update
> 2. Update regularly
> 3. Watch output from pacman for warnings/advice
> 4. Run pacdiff after update and before reboot
>
> After step 4 there are no longer any pacnew
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 07:10, Kusoneko wrote:
>
> I think he's trying to imply that pacman stores a copy of the archive
> containing the previous version somewhere and that pacman should extract
> the config files from both and see if something changed before providing a
> .pacnew. Only thing
On 8/19/20 15:02, Manuel Reimer wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know that Arch is not for the "average user" and some background
> knowledge is expected, but this was the first time I needed a boot stick
> since I think at least one year.
>
> Some minutes ago I did a regular system update and after that
Le 20/08/2020 à 10:08, Kusoneko a écrit :
> On August 19, 2020 8:16:08 PM UTC, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
> wrote:
>> Em agosto 19, 2020 17:04 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
>>> Yes there is. The defaults are literally what's in the config file in
>>> the archive and not on the filesystem. How
On August 19, 2020 8:16:08 PM UTC, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general
wrote:
>Em agosto 19, 2020 17:04 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
>>
>> Yes there is. The defaults are literally what's in the config file in
>> the archive and not on the filesystem. How would that not be a way to
>> determine
On 8/19/20 3:41 PM, Morten Linderud via arch-general wrote:
> https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.8.html#_handling_config_files_a_id_hcf_a
>
> Can you please read this section a few times before writing more emails?
>
I see. I was sure pacman made no comparisons at all to previous config
https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.8.html#_handling_config_files_a_id_hcf_a
Can you please read this section a few times before writing more emails?
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:32 PM Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:17 PM Archange wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 20/08/2020 à 00:04, Yaro Kasear a écrit :
>> > On 8/19/20 2:56 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>> >> On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
>> >>> Em agosto 19, 2020
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 3:17 PM Archange wrote:
>
> Le 20/08/2020 à 00:04, Yaro Kasear a écrit :
> > On 8/19/20 2:56 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> >> On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
> >>> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
> I've always questioned the
Le 20/08/2020 à 00:04, Yaro Kasear a écrit :
> On 8/19/20 2:56 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
>> On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
>>> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
I've always questioned the wisdom of dropping a .pacnew just when the
file is
Em agosto 19, 2020 17:04 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
Yes there is. The defaults are literally what's in the config file in
the archive and not on the filesystem. How would that not be a way to
determine default settings?
I'm not suggesting the package manager would have to understand the
settings,
On 8/19/20 2:56 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
>> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
>>> I've always questioned the wisdom of dropping a .pacnew just when the
>>> file is different from the default. There's really no reason for
On 8/19/20 2:48 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
>>
>> I've always questioned the wisdom of dropping a .pacnew just when the
>> file is different from the default. There's really no reason for it
>> considering any changes you made
Em agosto 19, 2020 16:37 Yaro Kasear escreveu:
I've always questioned the wisdom of dropping a .pacnew just when the
file is different from the default. There's really no reason for it
considering any changes you made were deliberate and presumably thought
out. The end result is pacman
On 8/19/20 2:13 PM, Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:
> Em agosto 19, 2020 16:02 Manuel Reimer escreveu:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Some minutes ago I did a regular system update and after that decided
>> to reboot. After reboot I was unable to log into my system. After
>> fiddling a bit I rebooted
Em agosto 19, 2020 16:02 Manuel Reimer escreveu:
Hello,
Some minutes ago I did a regular system update and after that decided to
reboot. After reboot I was unable to log into my system. After fiddling
a bit I rebooted to an Arch boot stick to find the following message in
pacman.log:
Le 19 août 2020 23:02:12 GMT+04:00, Manuel Reimer
a écrit :
>Hello,
>
>I know that Arch is not for the "average user" and some background
>knowledge is expected, but this was the first time I needed a boot stick
>since I think at least one year.
>
>Some minutes ago I did a regular system
This can only happen if you or another program modified the original file.
Josef Miegl
On August 19, 2020 9:02:12 PM GMT+02:00, Manuel Reimer
wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I know that Arch is not for the "average user" and some background
>knowledge is expected, but this was the first time I needed a
Hello,
I know that Arch is not for the "average user" and some background
knowledge is expected, but this was the first time I needed a boot stick
since I think at least one year.
Some minutes ago I did a regular system update and after that decided to
reboot. After reboot I was unable to
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