Re: [arch-general] EEE 1000H - control of Wifi device

2010-02-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:25:51PM -0800, epinull wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:43 AM, kludge wrote: > > > > Well, since I don't have /etc/acpi at all it looks like this > > > switch works without any soft support at all. So I guess it > > > just can't be disabled. > > > > unless you instal

[arch-general] what is this supposed to mean ?

2010-04-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello, Trying to do a complete system update, I get: error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) cups: /etc/cups/printers.conf exists in filesystem Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded. Certainly that file does exist, it probably has to in order to make my printer work. But wh

Re: [arch-general] what is this supposed to mean ?

2010-04-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:28:04AM +0300, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > Please see the front page news. There are instructions regarding the > CUPS update. :) OK, pacman -Sf cups and then re-trying the update did the trick. Will have to check my printer tomorrow... Many thanks, but I 'rest my case

Re: [arch-general] gstreamer0.10-good-plugins need a whole load of GNOME stuff?

2010-04-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 06:22:24AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 22:04 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > "GStreamer is a library for constructing graphs of media-handling > > components. The applications it supports range from simple Ogg/Vorbis > > playback, audio/video

Re: [arch-general] final final testing images

2010-05-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 05:17:28PM +0200, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > I built new images, dated 2010.05.16 (aka "final final images" ;)) in > which this should be fixed, and which also come with updated core > packages, most notably kernel26-2.6.33.4-1 > > http://build.archlinux.org/isos/ I downlo

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding the ArchLinux iso core image

2010-05-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:37:38PM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Does anyone agree/disagree with my idea on the proper way to install Arch? > > :D > > Regards, --Keith > > > I disagree. Some of us do not have fast/reliable internet connections, > and would rather postpone the search for reliable do

Re: [arch-general] coping with damaging updates

2011-10-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 07:14:36PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote: > Personally I'm not using neither gui file browser nor consolekit > session and make use of the group based permission because I know how > to handle things, and I can look up eventual barriers in my way > quickly and reliably enough.

Re: [arch-general] Vim with X

2011-11-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:09:57PM +, John K Pate wrote: > ctrl-ins, shift-ins, middle-click should all still work. At least they > do for me, and I don't have gvim installed. Or do I have something else > installed that makes them work? Same here. -- FA Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal, die

Re: [arch-general] Linking issue, glibc weirdness?

2011-12-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 08:25:51PM +0100, Philipp wrote: > g++ -Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,--hash-style=gnu > -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o jmeters jmeters.o styles.o mainwin.o jclient.o > mkimage.o meterwin.o -lsndfile -lclxclient -lclthreads -ljack -lpng > -lXft -lX11 -lrt > /usr/bin/ld: j

Re: [arch-general] Linking issue, glibc weirdness?

2011-12-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 10:23:53PM +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > Can you try it using the PKGBUILD? (Download tarball, extract, cd to the > directory, type makepkg) > https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=25711 ==> Starting build()... /home/fons/build/jmeters/PKGBUILD: line 19: DSO.patch

Re: [arch-general] Linking issue, glibc weirdness?

2011-12-09 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:55:18PM +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > Looked in the wrong place, fixed. > The problem is that it's necessary to specify -lpthread now and in > future. It will likely hit you too once the mirror you use syncs and > you update. Not sure which package is responsible,

Re: [arch-general] .bashrc not executed on login

2011-12-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 05:26:33PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > usually someone forgot to do chmod 755 ./.bashrc . On Sat, 10 Dec > 2011, G. Schlisio wrote: Why should a ~/.bashrc need group/world permissions ? -- FA Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal, die Sonne scheint - ein Glitzerstrahl.

Re: [arch-general] Pacman-key keyring and my own GPG key

2012-01-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 04:38:31PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Pacman keyring is for package verification. It is located in GPGDir > = /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/ and contains packagers' public keys. Your sec. key is > for your user ONLY. If you make your own packages, sign them and want them to > be v

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:50:09AM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:35 AM, G. Schlisio wrote: > > Am 28.01.2012 00:26, schrieb G. Schlisio: > > > >> Hi all, > >> i used to keep a folder in /media to serve as mountpoint if some manual > >> mountis was needed. > >> since some

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 05:29:51PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > And, no, artificially crippling a (semi-)professional audio card down > to stereo with a strange ALSA configuration is not a solution for this. > And, no, it's not ALSA's fault like Lennart Poettering says, it's > PulseAudio's fault.

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:24:07PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > If PulseAudio was generally only optional and if its developers > wouldn't try to declare it as a standard, I just wouldn't care. It's part of a more general trend, that of dependencies on specific desktop junk trickling down into ev

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 01:14:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. PA is indeed a great consumer thing, and it may be what you need. It is definitely not what some others need. > Because noone cares about "pro" audio solutions You me

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:46:20PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > There has been a lot of changes lately, this is true. However, a lot > of effort has been put into reaching consensus between the distros and > the relevant upstream projects. Much more so now than before. > > It is my impression t

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:41:06PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.23.2 This doesn't provide any reason why emacs should depend on consolekit for its functionality. It only says it depends on gconf to find out a 'default font', and that you can opt out at com

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 02:46:37PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > This has already been tried at least with pulseaudio. Their reactions > are known. Blame ALSA for PA's faults while ALSA supports those card > perfectly since years, and crippling those audio cards down to stereo > with some very stra

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:02:25PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:42:33 + > schrieb Fons Adriaensen : > > > They *DO* know and understand the difference between consumer and > > 'pro' audio. > > I have another impression. Could be. M

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:17:38PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > My is based on a bug report, upstream's solution for closing this bug > report - this weird ALSA configuration which cripples those cards to > pure stereo cards - and their response to the reopening of this bug > report. The ALSA 'ro

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:33:34PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > ALSA is not using this information in the same way (if at all). It is > a well known problem that PA will act crazy if the dB values from ALSA > are wrong, but ALSA itself mostly does not care (because the user is > setting all the

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

2012-01-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:28:00AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 23:11 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > A trained audio engineer knows how to find out > > such things and get them right, but the average user is completely > > lost if there is more

[arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). root@zita1:/home/fons> pacman -S octave pacman: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libalpm.so.7) Octave gets installed, but refuses to run due to the missing library. ??? -- FA Vor uns lieg

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). > > Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again. I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM, n

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:22:51PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen > >> wrote: >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Because it is apparently a dependency of octave. And pacman tried to > > install it, but failed due to the 'no version information'. >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55:22PM +0100, Alexandre Ferrando wrote: > On 16 February 2012 22:52, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Could you elaborate a bit on that ?  Isn't 'pacman -S foo' supposed > > to either install (if not yet installed) or update any dependenc

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 04:12:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Simply put there are 2 pkg trees: in the official repos and on your system. > They are supposed to be in-sync -- that's what pacman -Sy does. pacman -S > fetches pkg according to YOUR tree. Over time the sync is lost, so YOUR tree >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

2012-02-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:12:02AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > "Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again." > > But you ignored it: > > "I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM" I did not ignore it, I gave some reasons why that was not an option at that time. And those reasons are in line with

[arch-general] upgrade disabled IP forwarding

2012-06-03 Thread Fons Adriaensen
A pacman -Syu today unexpectedly disabled IP forwarding on two of my machines which were configured to provide that service. Unexpected because AFAIK there's no recent news item mentioning this, nor were there any upgrade messages about it. No big deal, and probably just some unwanted side effect,

[arch-general] libusbx

2012-06-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Regarding the libusb / libusbx replacement, the following may be of interest to authors using it: I have one app using libusb, after the upgrade it consistently segfaulted on calling libusb_exit(0). The '0' argument in this call and some others means my code was using the 'default context'. Usin

[arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t. the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying 'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink. On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and after a fe

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-15 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should > tell you what the problem is. Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login Which is *very strange* ... Fortunately I could afford to just dump thi

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade > was forced. No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions which clearly stated not to use --force. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliabl

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20:10PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > > > > > > > The most likely reason for /bin/login bein

Re: [arch-general] [OT] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

2012-07-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:03:35PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > Completely off-topic, but am I the only one that chuckled at this title? A > very minor mistake, but "irresponsible" means "not responsible", and brings > to > mind pictures of your computer spending all your money, running an

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Arch was always - if nothing else - about upstream > compatibility and this is just the next step. Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an uto

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 03:02:05PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:43:39 + > schrieb Fons Adriaensen : > > > Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? > > In this case the super-ingenious Lennart Poettering, I guess. I swi

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:17:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 22.07.2012 15:36, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > to get rid of all that > > Poetterix > > Once again this is not a technical argument, but a very subjective > reason with - at least for me - no basis.

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:52:49PM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > I wonder why everyone thinks that Archlinux is about a single config file... > It is the same myth as "Arch is faster than distro XYZ" or the "simple BSD > init". A single config file or a few of them won't matter. As long as you can

[arch-general] Install scripts

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:01:02AM -, Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Pierre Schmitz wrote: > New iso images containing a current Arch Linux snapshot have been released and > can be found on our [Download][1] page. I have not used the install scripts so far (probably will in a few days) but

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:45:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 22.07.2012 22:26, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > > care about whatever it has to offer. Recent updates of xdm have pulled > &g

Re: [arch-general] Consolekit etc. stubs? (Was: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.)

2012-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:35:33PM -0700, Scott Lawrence wrote: > A little OT (hence changed subject), but I've sometimes wondered - > shouldn't it be possible to create a "stub" version of libdbus, > libconsolekit, et al that does nothing but the least necessary to > get the calling program work

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:30:37AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 22/07/12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > > care about whatever it has to offer. > > ...This may be why you don't u

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Then create a service file in /etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service > > [unit] > description= David's Network Setup > Wants= network.target > Before= network.target > > [service] > Type = oneshot > ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/da

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

2012-07-26 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Yeah, because key=value pairs are more complicated then, you know, a > programming language? Apples and oranges. What you read in a bash script is what actually gets executed. And this is being done by a tool that is not specific for

[arch-general] Xorg install problems - solved but some questions

2010-07-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Today I turned my 10th machine into an ArchLinux system. A Fujitsu W270, nice laptop, just whished it were mine. Things become routine, I just anticipated some hickups as this was the first install using the new 'halogen free' Xorg. That expectation turned out to be true, but ATM everyt

[arch-general] Python 3.2mu breaks pycairo ?

2011-03-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, A full system update yesterday replaced Python 3.1 by 3.2mu (what does the 'mu' mean BTW) and this seems to break pycairo: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./mkmeter.py", line 3, in from cairo import * File "/usr/lib/python3.2/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py", line 18,

[arch-general] building tp_smapi from AUR

2011-04-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Don't know if this is the right place to ask... I'm trying to install tp_smapi from AUR. The maintainer is listed as 'xduugu' without mail address. Everything runs fine until: ==> Starting build()... patching file Makefile patching file thinkpad_ec.c patching file tp_smapi.c patching file hdaps.

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-08 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 08:54:15PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 8 May 2011 19:33:09 +0100 > schrieb Magnus Therning : > > > I don't think so. The word "runlevel" doesn't exist on > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide > > > > It does mention adding display managers to

[arch-general] Vodafone HSDPA key

2011-07-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Is it possible to use Vodafone's (Italy) HSDPA USB key with Archlinux ? I'd want to use it without depending on any 'desktop' tools - just netcfg and whatever other command line tools it takes. Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping tcp_wrapper support

2011-07-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 01:56:58PM -0600, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > I mentioned that I consider tcp_wrappers to be a DAC, someone asked me to > clarify on MAC and DAC systems, so I put up a blog post: > > http://red45.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/mac-and-dac-core-security-concepts/ You equate MAC = wh

[arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
After a routine upgrade it seems I don't have any sound devices any more. More in detail: * The driver for my card (RME HDSP MADI, snd_hdpsm) is loaded. * aplay -L tells me there is only the 'null' device. * (re)starting /etc/rc.d/alsa doesn't change things. * There is *no* /dev/pcm at all. * /sy

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 05:15:46PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > After a routine upgrade it seems I don't have any sound devices any more. > > > > More in detail: > > > > * The driver for my car

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-19 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 06:59:46PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > Some new info: I get complaints from udev in /var/log/errors.log > > about files not being found in /lib/udev/rules.d. This would explain > > things I guess. But when I look in /lib/udev/rules.d those files *do* > > exist. So maybe

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 02:38:58AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > > * There is *no* /dev/pcm at all. > > Do you mean /dev/snd/pcm? Either way, NOT good. Yes. > > * /etc/udev/rules.d is empty > > This is expected; have you ever placed anything there yourself before? No. > Do you know about the

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15:32PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > [2011-07-19 15:47] upgraded pciutils (3.1.7-3 -> 3.1.7-4) > [2011-07-19 15:47] upgraded udev (166-2 -> 171-2) > [2011-07-19 15:47] warning: /etc/inittab installed as /etc/inittab.pacnew > [2011-07-19 15:47] warning: /etc/rc.conf insta

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:15:32PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > Please downgrade these packages [1] and test. You can do this one by > one, starting with the kernel + mkinitcpio + linux-firmware, then > test, then if no difference, go on to downgrading the rest in that > list. Of particular interes

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
When I downgrade initscripts and mkinitcpio (to versions of around february), run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, and reboot, shouldn't I get the 'old style' boot messages (without the timing in []) ? But I don't... Are we forgetting something ? Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 06:04:00PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > > When I downgrade initscripts and mkinitcpio (to versions of around > > february), run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, and reboot, shouldn't I ge

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 06:04:00PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > > When I downgrade initscripts and mkinitcpio (to versions of around > > february), run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, and reboot, shouldn't I ge

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-20 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:23:47AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > Just to be double sure. Did you reboot each time you downgraded > something? If not, downgrade all of them at one go, then reboot. Of course. mkinitcpio -p kernel26 and reboot. > 1. Now we really need a comparison between your workin

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:50:20AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 21 July 2011 00:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > *Two cards* going defective at the same time, and that time coincides > > with an upgrade ? That could only mean that the new system has destroyed > > them :-) >

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 03:52:04PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 21 July 2011 15:19, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > I'm not at the studio ATM so I can't try, but what about > > the sysvinit package ? It provides /sbin/init, and it was > > not in your list of 'usua

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 06:50:32PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > "modprobe -rv snd_hdpsm && modprobe -v snd_hdpsm", and then post the > output to the console and any dmesg output (and verify that your > devices are not in /dev/snd)? This becomes interesting: [root@c252 fons]# modprobe -rv snd_h

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:23PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > [   48.057757] HDSPM: unknown firmware revision cc > > > > Clearly the firmware revision hasn't changed... So either it is > > not read correctly, or the driver has changed. > > Where do you get your firmware from? Is it in the ke

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:00:22PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Kacper Żuk wrote: > > 2011/7/21 Fons Adriaensen : > >> * but there is no ALSA sequencer device (/dev/snd/seq). > > > > I think that for sequencer you need to: > &g

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
u, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >>>>> * The driver for my card (RME HDSP MADI, snd_hdpsm) is loaded. > >> > [   48.057757] HDSPM: unknown firmware revision cc > [...] > > Today I tried again downgrading the kernel to 2.6.37, to check

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-21 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 07:25:56PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Fons (or anyone else who could reproduce the problem), > > If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the > patch applied here: > . Wo

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 07:25:56PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Fons (or anyone else who could reproduce the problem), > > If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the > patch applied here: > . I

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:14:30AM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: > > > If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the > > > patch applied here: > > > . > > > > Installed on two machines so far, more tomo

Re: [arch-general] Panic - no sound devices after upgrade

2011-07-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 01:14:30AM +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: > > > Fons (or anyone else who could reproduce the problem), > > > > > > If you want to try out Adrian's patch, I uploaded a kernel with the > > > patch applied here: > > >

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] blacklisting issue, perhaps initscripts or kernel 3.0 related

2011-08-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:57:00AM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > I don't know how it is for other modules like network cards. There are > several modules which don't have an index parameter. For network cards you can use udev rules to set the names based on the MAC address, e.g. SUBSYSTEM=="net",

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.0.4-1

2011-09-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:49:09AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 08/30/2011 04:38 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote: >> Latest kernel is in testing, >> please signoff for both arches >> >> greetings >> tpowa > > Signoff i686 :) Does this mean that the 'swappiness' problem has been solved, or there

[arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
Hello all, Since my (unknown) neighbour finally got smart enough to lock me out of his wireless access point (still unencrypted, probably filters on MAC address now), I got a Vodafone USB internet key, and even managed to make it work. But I've the impression that my current configuration isn't r

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 07:44:29PM +0300, Mantas M. wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 04:27:20PM +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > 2. The fact that I have _two_ new network interfaces. > >The existence of the 'usb0' one seems to suggest I > >don't need p

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 04:56:29AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 11 September 2011 00:27, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > Since my (unknown) neighbour finally got smart enough to > > lock me out of his wireless access point (still unencrypted, > > probably filters on MAC address n

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 11:02:12PM +0200, Manolo Martínez wrote: > On 09/10/11 at 04:27pm, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > Since my (unknown) neighbour finally got smart enough to > > lock me out of his wireless access point (still unencrypted, > > probably filters on MAC address

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 05:31:44AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > wvdial needs to start pppd to connect. Without pppd, wvdial is > useless. ??? wvdial only starts pppd *after* having made the connection. It certainly doesn't need pppd to make the connection. > The ppp0 is the proper device (registe

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:56:08AM +0300, cantabile wrote: > This thread is relevant: > http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-June/014388.html Yes and no. Early ADSL modems (such as the green Alcatel flat fish shaped one, I still have it) required you to set up a ppp connectio

Re: [arch-general] wvdial and ppp configuration

2011-09-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 06:17:01AM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 11 September 2011 06:12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:56:08AM +0300, cantabile wrote: > > > >> This thread is relevant: > >> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/a

Re: [arch-general] startup messages gone

2011-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:12:29PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > FYI: All the special characters in /etc/issue will go away in the next > filesystems release (as agetty deals with it now). > > Also, if you want to see what happened during boot, there is /var/log/boot Something remotely related

Re: [arch-general] netcfg wlan connection renewal

2011-09-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:55:30PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Philipp Überbacher > wrote: > > meanwhile and provides a CLI interface it still requires polkit. Polkit > > requires consolekit and both mean configuration and maintenance trouble. > > Just a quick c

Re: [arch-general] netcfg wlan connection renewal

2011-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:14:24PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Sep 28, 2011 3:53 PM, "Tom Gundersen" wrote: > > The way it works is that both the frontend (the unprivileged process, > > e.g. the GUI for setting your timezone) and the backend (the > > privileged process, e.g. the app th

Re: [arch-general] netcfg wlan connection renewal

2011-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:51:53AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > What you are seeing is udisks [0]. The policy that is implemented, if > I understand correctly, is that udisks allows a user who is physically > at the machine to mount the usb drive, but not remote users. > > This makes sense for t

Re: [arch-general] netcfg wlan connection renewal

2011-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:55:25PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > This makes no sense.  I don't mind if they use their own sticks > > on their own laptop. I do if they use it one this particular > > machine. > > This is surely a very uncommon scenario. It is easily solved by > tweaking the PK po

Re: [arch-general] netcfg wlan connection renewal

2011-09-29 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:54:51PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > As a somewhat hackish workaround there's the gconf-no-polkit package in > AUR: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41983 > Works well enough for me. I also need gconf for a single package only. Good tip, thanks. But I'd r

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 01:35:10PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > How many times does it have to be said, that there are bug reports filed > to upstream which have been ignored by upstream resp. which have been > closed as fixed by first blaming ALSA for the PA problems, even if ALSA > supports thos

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:30:09PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > For better or worse, the reality is that there are hard dependencies > on things you don't like. It seems that upstream is unwilling to > change that. Then you should really ask yourself why they take that position. AFAICS, there i

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to > adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full. > Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as > one of the ones who doesn't like

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of > > them: > > > > - one provided by the application (player or something) > >

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control > > an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is > > the outp

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-11 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > > which can h

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who > is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something > from one of these threads ;-)). No authority needed here, it's just extremely clumsy to us

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer > > that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want > > to adjust a single

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple) > case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all > cases, so this is not really relevant (had we been talking about a > human doing this, you'd

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is > normalized to max power (in watts = intensity). [ Tom & Leonid ] > Lots of questions... I'll try to answer them, but not all at a time (I need to eat/sleep

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

2012-08-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:38:58PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's > wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying > the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain > in analog (or use

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