ists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/attachments/20090816/b3b9a9b9/attachment-0001.htm
___
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--
AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona
Register Now: http://www.astricon.
If anyone can provide with DID for Regina,Saskatoon(sk), please contact me
offllist.
faiz_grw (at) yahoo (dot) com
___
--Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--
AstriCon 2009 - October 13 - 15 Phoenix, Arizona
Register
Hm, makes sense.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <
trix...@0xdecafbad.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 20:27 -0400, Pascal Bruno wrote:
> > How come MagicJack is still around?
> >
>
> they no longer say unlimited, their TOS says 20 times average usage,
> and per
Singapore DID at $1 NRC (setup or non-recurring fee) and $1/month with 5000
minutes included from DIDX seller 713822 with vendor rating of 5, very good
(on scale of 1-8). The numbers begin with country code 65 and city code
(national) 0. They support caller ID. You can purchase more channels.
Colo
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 20:27 -0400, Pascal Bruno wrote:
> How come MagicJack is still around?
>
they no longer say unlimited, their TOS says 20 times average usage,
and per someone on the inside average usage is 104 mninutes. So
basically its $2/mo (prepaid up front) for 2000 minutes a month.
How come MagicJack is still around?
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 16, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 19:54 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
>> Trunking customers cherry-picking expensive rate centers from a plan
>> offered them retail as blended is a big proble
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 19:54 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> Trunking customers cherry-picking expensive rate centers from a plan
> offered them retail as blended is a big problem, though.
>
sorta that is what Audiotext v AT&T was about, granted it was actual
arbitrage, the FCC said that if you wan
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 17:55 -0500, Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
> > and its only legal if the FCC does not regulate you as a telecom
> > company. Sprint, Qwest, AT&T, etc tried to do that and they lost in
> > court. "self help blocking" was what they called it.
>
> How do regulated telecom c
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
> How do regulated telecom companies get away with blocking anything else
> like International, Toll, and 900/976 numbers? Could a carrier just as
> easily play a message saying "this number not included in your
> 'unlimited' plan" and then complete the call at
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:42 -0700, Nitzan Kon wrote:
>> --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
>>
>>> Why not just exclude those rate centers from your "unlimited"
>>> plans. Inform the customer when they sign up for the plan that
>>> a number of
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:42 -0700, Nitzan Kon wrote:
> --- On Sun, 8/16/09, Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
>
> > Why not just exclude those rate centers from your "unlimited"
> > plans. Inform the customer when they sign up for the plan that
> > a number of numbers located in rural areas are e
--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
> Why not just exclude those rate centers from your "unlimited"
> plans. Inform the customer when they sign up for the plan that
> a number of numbers located in rural areas are excluded from the
> "unlimited" plan.
We did exactly that.
I
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
> Nitzan Kon wrote:
>> So basically, we all should triple our rates, just so a
>> few rural chat lines can keep their profit stream? I don't
>> think so.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here, but as a carrier you know what rate
> centers are more expensive, don't y
Nitzan Kon wrote:
> So basically, we all should triple our rates, just so a
> few rural chat lines can keep their profit stream? I don't
> think so.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but as a carrier you know what rate
centers are more expensive, don't you? These are rural rate centers
that don
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> I think people would have similar outrage to an auto maker saying that
> you can get 100mpg on an suv*
>
> *if the SUV is dropped from space and gravity+inertia does all the work
I think that's a bit of a hyperbolic comparison.
It's more akin to how MPG ratings
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 13:30 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
>
> > I am all for people advertising unlimited if it really is unlimited. I
> > just dont think they should say that if its not. Nor do I think people
> > should say "sign up today and get a $1,000,00 che
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> I am all for people advertising unlimited if it really is unlimited. I
> just dont think they should say that if its not. Nor do I think people
> should say "sign up today and get a $1,000,00 check" and then in the
> TOS say that the check will be voided befor
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 12:56 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
>
> > I have said a few times in this thread that both Boost (sprint) and
> > T-mobile (at least in the US) give unlimited when they say unlimited.
>
> ... while they can afford to.
>
its unfair to comment
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 13:06 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> But it is a requirement of marketing to do so, as long as your
> competitors are doing it--or, at least, claiming to do it, it doesn't
> really matter which. So, maybe Bret is right; if there were a strict
> and comprehensive regulatory
Pascal Bruno wrote:
> True, a friend of mine experienced that. His vonage service was
> suspended for excessive use. Even he had an "unlimited" plan.
The problem is that in VoIP, selling anything "unlimited" while the VoIP
structural picture continues to be very highly PSTN-centric (which it
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> I have said a few times in this thread that both Boost (sprint) and
> T-mobile (at least in the US) give unlimited when they say unlimited.
... while they can afford to.
--
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel:
True, a friend of mine experienced that. His vonage service was
suspended for excessive use. Even he had an "unlimited" plan.
Sent from my iPod
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:34 AM, randulo wrote:
> Interesting thread! With regard to the use of 'unlimited':
>
> Wengo's TOS in the early days when the
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 08:34 -0700, randulo wrote:
> Today, as you all know, 'unlimited' never means anything other than
> "limited to an arbitrary amount of resource usage that we can
> reconcile with our business plan". IOW, service providers need to make
> money on the accounts, not just provide
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 08:25 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> Where did you get this estimate?
>
it was on the news this morning, they said they got it from verizon.
--
Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel
pgp key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8AE5C721
__
randulo wrote:
> Today, as you all know, 'unlimited' never means anything other than
> "limited to an arbitrary amount of resource usage that we can
> reconcile with our business plan".
That's correct and is the essence of the matter.
--
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web: http
Interesting thread! With regard to the use of 'unlimited':
Wengo's TOS in the early days when they offered unlimited SIP calling
at 7 euros per month did not state a number of minutes but had a
sentence difficult to translate into English, but meaning something
like this:
"If you are using more m
After a quick search, the only thing I could find was this article. It is,
however, pure conjecture.
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/how-to-bypass-stupid-voicemail-instructions/?apage=2
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
>
> Where did you get this estimate?
_
Where did you get this estimate?
> Just to expand on this a little bit, in a slightly new direction.
> Verizon estimates that it will make $600,000,000 this year off of "extra
> options" in voice mail prompts. By expanding the voice mail menu
> options (1 for urgent 2 to page, etc) and doing eve
Just to expand on this a little bit, in a slightly new direction.
Verizon estimates that it will make $600,000,000 this year off of "extra
options" in voice mail prompts. By expanding the voice mail menu
options (1 for urgent 2 to page, etc) and doing everything possible to
make sure that people s
Also, T-Mobile (in the US) and Boost have fewer users, more capacity
glut and larger returns to scale.
So, the folks who explicitly offer unlimited are, more often than not,
the ones who can afford to because of how the subscriber density and
contention ratios work out.
Alex Balashov wrote:
>
Easier said than done.
I don't think anyone is going to argue with you from an ideological
pespective, least of all I.
But it's a harder problem than it looks on the surface.
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 04:27 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
>> What I'm trying to say is
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 04:27 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> What I'm trying to say is that customers accustomed to flat-rate access
> would run screaming from any ISP that insinuates or intimates in the
> slightest that their service is in any way "limited" from a metered
> perspective. It's no d
What I'm trying to say is that customers accustomed to flat-rate access
would run screaming from any ISP that insinuates or intimates in the
slightest that their service is in any way "limited" from a metered
perspective. It's no different in voice, except that synchronous TDM
channels aren't
here is a script I did for google voice, it lets you place a call, send
an sms, and cancel a call. I am not that good at perl, so it could
probably be improved on.
The most obvious use of this would be to send alerts for system
problems. Its just a fun little command line script that does the
b
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 03:46 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> What about ISPs and bandwidth on consumer-grade broadband connections?
>
> There is not a chance in hell that broadband could be offered at
> anywhere near current price points if packet traffic couldn't be
> oversubscribed thousands of p
What about ISPs and bandwidth on consumer-grade broadband connections?
There is not a chance in hell that broadband could be offered at
anywhere near current price points if packet traffic couldn't be
oversubscribed thousands of percent. For the most part, this doesn't
cause ISPs any problems
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 03:22 -0400, Alex Balashov wrote:
> The reason the word "unlimited" is used is because from a marketing
> perspective it is absolutely impossible to make an attractive,
> straightforward value proposition that any end-user will understand when
> it's replete with all sorts
The reason the word "unlimited" is used is because from a marketing
perspective it is absolutely impossible to make an attractive,
straightforward value proposition that any end-user will understand when
it's replete with all sorts of complicated caveats about minutes and
termination traffic bl
On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 22:43 -0700, Nitzan Kon wrote:
> > They said its on the carriers to charge what it costs
> > and not whine because they sold service for below their
> > cost and lost money. Their contracts and tariffs need
> > to include protections against losing money.
>
> Well, what
39 matches
Mail list logo
