Re: [asterisk-users] Cisco 7940 phone and tftpd provisioning - for ever?

2011-05-09 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 09 May 2011, Cassius Smith wrote: On 5/9/11 6:02 AM, Doug Lytle supp...@drdos.info wrote: Sebastian Arcus wrote: Cisco phones (at least the 7940) are supposed to be run with a tftp server available at all time That is my experience. But, if you're running tftp under Linux, then

Re: [asterisk-users] SIP secruity: username and password

2011-05-05 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 05 May 2011, bilal ghayyad wrote: Hi All; When the endpoint register on Asterisk or initiate a call, so they exchange the sip username and password. What is the possibility that this will be capture by the hacker and how to avoid this problem? If the two devices are connected by

Re: [asterisk-users] receive faxes

2011-05-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 04 May 2011, vip killa wrote: Honestly Digium's Asterisk is not a quality project. Though it has lead the way in innovative open-source VoIP, it's a flawed and chaotic project. Hence, I refuse to pay Digium. Don't worry. You can always get your money refunded if it breaks -- and

Re: [asterisk-users] Password to be ecrypted?

2011-04-26 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 26 Apr 2011, bilal ghayyad wrote: Hi All; I am using Asterisk 1.8, how I can protect my self from hackers in case they was able to see my sip.conf file? I need the password to be encrypted, how? Short answer: You can't. Asterisk itself needs to be able to read the stored

Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk Export Fax from Wave file

2011-04-21 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 21 Apr 2011, Khaled W. Chehab wrote: Dears, I configured an account on my asterisk pbx to record the outgoing calls. When the asterisk pbx user make a call and send a fax the call recorded to wave file format. I searched the internet and found a software that can play the

Re: [asterisk-users] R: No Internet, no asterisk

2011-04-19 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 19 Apr 2011, Niccolò Belli wrote: A caching nameserver is not a viable solution because I want it working even after a month without internet access. Then just make your local nameserver authoritative for the domain in question. You can always firewall off port 53, if the

Re: [asterisk-users] No Internet, no asterisk

2011-04-18 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 18 Apr 2011, Niccolò Belli wrote: As soon as the Internet connection goes down, phones stop working. I want to be able to use pstn, isdn and the gsm gateway even if the Internet connection goes down, how can I achieve it? You most probably are using a nameserver somewhere else on the

Re: [asterisk-users] Call Center Reporting

2011-04-18 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 18 Apr 2011, bilal ghayyad wrote: Hi All; I am using Asterisk for Call Center (so agents login, logout, ready, not ready, ... etc). To be able to have a good call center reporting, on what I have to depend? On the CDR of Asterisk or there is another way? Is there a good open

Re: [asterisk-users] AGI and forking

2011-04-14 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 13 Apr 2011, Thorsten Göllner wrote: It should work - I think. BUT I am not really sure what will happen, if the child process exits. The child works with a copy of all asterisk ressources given to it, when forking. So when the child dies, perhaps asterisk will do a hangup or

[asterisk-users] AGI and forking

2011-04-13 Thread A J Stiles
Hi. I just want to make sure I understand this before doing something that might break things spectacularly for our users and customers :) We are using Asterisk 1.6.2.9 and my programming language of choice is Perl. I want, when a call comes in on someone's DDI number (which the person who

Re: [asterisk-users] send voicemail to multiple emails

2011-04-11 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 08 Apr 2011, vip killa wrote: Is there a way for asterisk's voicemail to send an email (including voicemail attachment) to multiple email addresses? It's probably easiest to set up a user on your mail server to receive the voicemail messages that are meant for multiple recipients,

Re: [asterisk-users] Dialplan matching

2011-04-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 04 Apr 2011, Asterisk User wrote: Hello all, I am trying to figure out the logic in on prefix matching for Asterisk 1.4.5. I want to be able to pass all international calls EXCEPT calls to 011870, 01137455 and so on. Asterisk's default behaviour is always to try the hardest-to-match

Re: [asterisk-users] Filtering on from caller id

2011-03-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 24 Mar 2011, Peter den Hartog wrote: I would like to use the from caller id, to allow calls yes or no. 101, and 111 should be allowed to use the Trunk, the rest of the phones are not. Is this even possible? So if the from caller id is 101 or 111, then allow the call, otherwise

Re: [asterisk-users] Fwd: asking for some help

2011-03-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 24 Mar 2011, tahar .H wrote: so plz is there any one who can give me a puch to learn this extraordinary Asterisk plz(video things will be better :)) Start with two cocoa tins and several metres of string, and work your way up from there . -- AJS --

Re: [asterisk-users] Testing from where number is...

2011-03-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 03 Mar 2011, Piotr Górski wrote: As free I mean no subscription. I can write AGI that will query numberingplans.com - that's not a problem... but I can query site only 20 times a day without a subscription... So it's not free. Well, free is as free does :) For the time being,

Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk security....again

2011-02-28 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 28 Feb 2011, Steven Howes wrote: 'asterisk security' is a misleading subject line. Guessing someone just scanned some IP addresses and made calls. You need what's called a 'firewall'. Well, assuming you're on Linux then you've already *got* a firewall. Just add some iptables rules

Re: [asterisk-users] Using a Virtual IP Line

2011-02-25 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 24 Feb 2011, Edwin Quijada wrote: Hello! I bought a virtual IP line to my ISP to use with my asterisk but when I try to connect it to my ISP tells me I can not use and I can only use with a softphone that gives me, xlite ready configured. Nothing says Climb me like a fence ;) I

[asterisk-users] Possible dumb question: new kernel, new DAHDI?

2011-02-14 Thread A J Stiles
This might be a stupid question, but: If I install a new Linux kernel on a machine running Asterisk, do I have to recompile DAHDI? If yes, what do I have to do to get it to build just the kernel modules? (We use Debian here. Squeeze has just gone stable, and it requires a new kernel.

Re: [asterisk-users] uptime

2011-02-14 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 15 Feb 2011, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: Now this is what I call uptime... minipbx*CLI show uptime System uptime: 41 years, 7 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes, 46 seconds Last reload: 8 hours, 3 minutes, 51 seconds Bizarre bug? I'm guessting, this is a brand new machine on its

Re: [asterisk-users] MP3 Crashing Asterisk

2011-02-07 Thread A J Stiles
On Saturday 05 Feb 2011, Timothy Smith wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:32 PM, A J Stiles asterisk_l...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: Can you listen to an mp3 file through the Asterisk server's own sound card (if it has one; if not, use the -w option to write to a .wav file, and test

Re: [asterisk-users] MP3 Crashing Asterisk

2011-02-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 04 Feb 2011, Timothy Smith wrote: Hi Users, I have a problem with some of my mp3 files. they crash the system (Asterisk 1.6.2.14 on a x86_64 running Fedora 13 ) when it tries to play them. Some distros used to use mpg321 instead of mpg123 (early versions of which used to suffer

Re: [asterisk-users] MP3 Crashing Asterisk

2011-02-04 Thread A J Stiles
(Putting everything back into the right order, and stripping out unnecessary bits, for the sake of anybody searching the archives in future.) On Friday 04 Feb 2011, Timothy Smith wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 5:37 PM, A J Stiles asterisk_l...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: Try running $ mpg123

Re: [asterisk-users] Recommended Windows client to display CID?

2011-01-27 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 27 Jan 2011, Gilles wrote: I had another idea: It'd be cool if the application could either just display CID information, or also search Outlook for a matching Contact and open the relevant page so that the user can review/add information for that person. Poor man's CRM :-) .

Re: [asterisk-users] Recommended Windows client to display CID?

2011-01-26 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 26 Jan 2011, Gilles wrote: I'd like to display CID information on users' monitor running Windows. I know I can run a script through the dialplan to send a datagram that is picked up Impulse Technology's free NetCID (www.imptec.com), but I'd rather use an open-source

Re: [asterisk-users] Unable to insert cdr-data into mysql-DB

2011-01-25 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 24 Jan 2011, Jonas Kellens wrote: I keep on getting the error : ERROR[1707] cdr_addon_mysql.c: Cannot connect to database server 127.0.0.1: (1045) Access denied for user 'asteriskcdr'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [stuff deleted] Try hostname=localhost aot hostname=127.0.0.1,

Re: [asterisk-users] Crossover cable for E1 ?

2011-01-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Saturday 22 Jan 2011, Tim Panton wrote: I'm looking to connect a BMC 450 to an asterisk with a Digium Quad E1 card. Am I right in thinking that I'll need a special 'crossover-E1' RJ45 cable? If so, any clues where I might buy one in the UK? The Digium card sellers don't seem to stock such

Re: [asterisk-users] Crossover cable for E1 ?

2011-01-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 24 Jan 2011, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Monday 24 January 2011 03:46:18 A J Stiles wrote: white/blue blue white/green orange white/orange green white/brown brown This is incorrect. The pairs should be: blue white/blue white/green white/orange orange green white/brown brown Wire

Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 SSH Console Colors Debian Lenny

2011-01-20 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 20 Jan 2011, JR Richardson wrote: Hi All, I'm running * 1.6.0.28 on Debian Lenny. The init'd script starts the asterisk daemon not the safe_asterisk daemon so when asterisk is running and I ssh tot he server then 'asterisk -vr' to attach to the asterisk console there are no

Re: [asterisk-users] how to read mp3

2011-01-18 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 18 Jan 2011, salaheddine elharit wrote: yes i want to know how can i do in order to read this files using apche Either make a symbolic link to the location of the files from somewhere Apache knows about, using something like # ln -s /path/to/files /path/to/webroot/mp3files/ and set

Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2011-01-18 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 18 Jan 2011, Don Kelly wrote: PLONK is retro--like bottom-posting :) --Don Retro? For those of us who actually know what PLONK means, it's hilarious. The fact that some people *don't* know what it means only makes it doubly so. Now, here is a link that those of us who remember a

Re: [asterisk-users] Log and forward calls to cellphone?

2011-01-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 04 Jan 2011, Gilles wrote: Thanks Sebastian for the tip. The goal is to 1) have clients call the usual landline number instead of asking them to try a cellphone in case no one's home, 2) get Asterisk to handle the call, 3) have the cellphone ring with the CID of the original caller

[asterisk-users] SOLVED: Re: Setting `userfield` from within a callfile

2010-12-21 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 20 Dec 2010, Olivier wrote: 2010/12/20 A J Stiles asterisk_l...@earthshod.co.uk Our current Asterisk 1.6.2.9 setup includes a CGI auto-dial application (written by someone else before me) which sets up calls by creating files of the general form Channel: SIP/$INSIDE_NUMBER

Re: [asterisk-users] Call sip:u...@domain.com?

2010-12-21 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2010, Gilles wrote: But I could use a good article/book to better understand my options, how Asterisk is different from the alternatives (Freeswitch, openSIPS, etc.) www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooksfield-keyword s=voip The same way Ubuntu,

[asterisk-users] Setting `userfield` from within a callfile

2010-12-20 Thread A J Stiles
Our current Asterisk 1.6.2.9 setup includes a CGI auto-dial application (written by someone else before me) which sets up calls by creating files of the general form Channel: SIP/$INSIDE_NUMBER Context: $CONTEXT Extension: $OUTSIDE_NUMBER Priority: 1 CallerId: $INSIDE_NUMBER in

Re: [asterisk-users] Attack problem

2010-12-17 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 17 Dec 2010, Khaled W. Chehab wrote: HI, My system been attacked from someone I guess, kindly check the link below How can I stop the ircd attack # /etc/init.d/ircd stop # chmod -x /etc/init.d/ircd Should do the business :) -- AJS --

[asterisk-users] Asterisk on smartphones ?

2010-12-14 Thread A J Stiles
Does anyone know of a smartphone available in the UK, which is capable of running Asterisk and has Zaptel / DAHDI drivers available for its own telephony engine? -- AJS -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by

Re: [asterisk-users] Zaptel / Asterisk on Solaris

2010-12-02 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 01 Dec 2010, RR wrote: Zaptel package isn't installing though ...crashes midway complaining that: *Operating environment requirement not met. This package requires Solaris 7 or better. checkinstall script suspends* huh? I'm running 5.11, which according to some rigorous

Re: [asterisk-users] SIP - no audio behind nat problem

2010-10-15 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 15 Oct 2010, Zarko Zivanovic wrote: Hello, We have 2 grandstream GX 2000 phones behind NAT and Asterisk outside this natted network. We have the issue with calls to these SIP phones - no audio. It is probably the problem with port forwarding on router - but I am not sure how can

Re: [asterisk-users] Module reload

2010-10-04 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 04 Oct 2010, Flavio Miranda wrote: Hi all, Every time I reload my asterisk it fall down and the following message appear on log: parse error: No category context for line 7 of /etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf If I comment that line, it change to other line. There are some thing

Re: [asterisk-users] Kernel Panic When restarting the server

2010-09-30 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 30 Sep 2010, Danny Dias wrote: Hello, I'm getting a KErnel Pannic every time i restart the server, what could be happening? I just make: shutdown -r now and the server gets Kernel Panic. I'have to go on site and press the power button Here you have my sotware versions:

Re: [asterisk-users] Use modprobe to find E1/T1 jumper setting onPRI card

2010-09-29 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 29 Sep 2010, Lee, John (Sydney) wrote: Do you mean that if I could define 30 channels in span 1 for example, then span 1 is set to E1? If not, then it is T1. Yes! That's how it works. Civilised countries manage to squeeze 30 B-channels and two D-channels onto an ISDN line by

Re: [asterisk-users] Configure Asterisk with openssl

2010-09-16 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 16 Sep 2010, Nikhil wrote: Hi I got the bellow error when I try to configure asterisk code. $./configure --with-ssl=/usr/local/ssl ... ... ... checking for mandatory modules: OPENSSL... fail configure: *** configure: *** The OPENSSL installation appears to be missing

Re: [asterisk-users] [OT-FreePBX] Outbound calls check inbound routes to see if destination is local?

2010-09-16 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 16 Sep 2010, Tim Nelson wrote: I have a system running Asterisk 1.4.27 (see... relevance!!!) and FreePBX 2.6.0. There are a large number of inbound routes configured for the various DID's coming in via PRI, SIP, etc. If a user calls outbound to one of these numbers, it goes out to

Re: [asterisk-users] Google Voice-like feature.

2010-09-02 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 02 Sep 2010, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: I'd *really* like to be able to have a call ring three different cell phones; then, if someone answers, they have to somehow acknowledge the call for it to be directed to them. That way, if one of the phones is off, or out of range, it doesn't go

Re: [asterisk-users] Dahdi install gone wrong

2010-08-25 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 25 Aug 2010, Doug Dawson wrote: Todd To interface directly with the telco pots lines You should be using FXS modules with FXS signaling. No. FXO is what you need to connect to a phone line. FXS is to connect to and ring an analogue telephone. (S = Signalling; i.e. it can

Re: [asterisk-users] Should I move to 1.6 or 1.8, or stay with 1.4?

2010-08-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 24 Aug 2010, Zeeshan Zakaria wrote: I am planning a migration to virtual machines, and was considering with it to move from 1.4 to one of the later versions. My and my clients' 1.4 setups have been rock solid and I don't want to put myself into any unnecessary trouble. Those of you

Re: [asterisk-users] billsec exceeds duration on some calls

2010-08-20 Thread A J Stiles
On Wednesday 11 Aug 2010, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 11 August 2010 03:59:28 A J Stiles wrote: I'm having a problem with Asterisk 1.6.2.9 with the MySQL cdr addon. With some calls, the value in the `billsec` field in the CDR is exceeding the value in the `duration` field. I'd

Re: [asterisk-users] dial_exec_full problems with TDM400

2010-08-17 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 17 Aug 2010, Jason Morgan wrote: Hi, I was running asterisk 1.4, but recently upgraded to 1.6 (for fax support) at the same time as moving from Ubuntu hardy to I have a single TDM400P rev I with two fxo and two fxs modules, these were working perfectly for years on Asterisk 1.4

[asterisk-users] billsec exceeds duration on some calls

2010-08-11 Thread A J Stiles
Hi I'm having a problem with Asterisk 1.6.2.9 with the MySQL cdr addon. With some calls, the value in the `billsec` field in the CDR is exceeding the value in the `duration` field. I didn't think this was supposed to happen? Our old installation (some ancient version, sorry not available)

Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk on Ben NanoNote?

2010-08-10 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 10 Aug 2010, Gilles wrote: Hello I just read an article on the tiny Ben NanoNote: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote As CPU, it uses a JZ4720 366 MHz MIPS compatible processor from Ingenic Semiconductor Co, and it runs Linux. Does someone know if Asterisk has been

Re: [asterisk-users] How can i switch to samba server omitting sshfs

2010-08-02 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 02 Aug 2010, Janu Mukherjee wrote: Hi all, I have the following problem. I want to Call -- Asterisk AGI Answer -- Create File - Copy File Asterisk -- Play File -- Finish Call For now we are using sshfs to map the directories. I now want to achieve this using samba server. I am

Re: [asterisk-users] FreeTDS (Microsoft MsSQL 2008) and CDR

2010-07-30 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 30 Jul 2010, Andraž wrote: From source also doesn't work. :( If you ran ldconfig to force update of library configuration after you installed the freetds you compiled, and re-ran ./configure in the asterisk build directory, and it still doesn't want to let you use freeTDS, then

Re: [asterisk-users] FreeTDS (Microsoft MsSQL 2008) and CDR

2010-07-26 Thread A J Stiles
On Monday 26 Jul 2010, Andraž wrote: Hi, I have Ubuntu server 10.04 64bit, and Asterisk 1.4.34, compiled from sources. I installed freetds-common,freetds-dev, libct4, libsybdb5, freetds-bin, but, when I run configure and then make menuconfig in section Call Detail Recording - cdr_tds it's

Re: [asterisk-users] SKYPE - Authenticate incoming call

2010-07-15 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 16 Jul 2010, Neeraj Chand wrote: Hi All, After getting licences for Skype for asterisk a while ago I finally got around to setting up a server with two channels and setting up a bcp on the skype end. The idea behind this is the following: Users can dial into the PBX,

Re: [asterisk-users] OT: fail2ban, spam and mail servers

2010-07-13 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 13 Jul 2010, Randy R wrote: I was thinking of closing port 25 and using an alternate port (587?) setup if the spam service is able to connect to an alternate port. That way, the users can also change their configs to 587 and most spammers will be trying 25 which is closed. Can't

Re: [asterisk-users] Pbx för Windows?

2010-07-09 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 09 Jul 2010, Christian wrote: Hi all, Yes, this is not the right list for such a question and I am using Asterisk myself its for a friend who isn't used to Linux. You can write me off list if you want. He is looking for a Windows based PBX with same functionality as Asterisk. Any

Re: [asterisk-users] How to secure Configuration files

2010-07-07 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 06 Jul 2010, ABBAS SHAKEEL wrote: Hello Community, . I am facing an issue of security i.e. We deploy servers to client end. Now i dont want the client to see my configuration files (Of course copy and distribute or replicate the logic with out permission). [ 1 paragraph

Re: [asterisk-users] Brute force attacks

2010-07-02 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 02 Jul 2010, Ira wrote: At 11:14 PM 7/1/2010, you wrote: Same activity from these IPs: 174.129.137.135 Given that my Asterisk box is used for nothing but Asterisk and I know the small number of IPs that need to have access is there an easy way to use iptables to block everything

Re: [asterisk-users] Brute force attacks

2010-07-02 Thread A J Stiles
On Friday 02 Jul 2010, Tim Nelson wrote: - A J Stiles asterisk_l...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: On Friday 02 Jul 2010, Ira wrote: At 11:14 PM 7/1/2010, you wrote: Same activity from these IPs: 174.129.137.135 Given that my Asterisk box is used for nothing but Asterisk and I

Re: [asterisk-users] restricting sip users to a certain useragent

2010-06-29 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 29 Jun 2010, Tarek Sawah wrote: . is it possible to force the agents (users) to use a certain UserAgent which is the one built-in our system? this way will prevent the agents we are restricting them to only be able to dial through the software which is already restricted to

Re: [asterisk-users] PRI span problem - no D channel

2010-06-24 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010, Mike wrote: Hi, I have the following happen to me after the restart of one of my servers: out of my 3 PRIs (all configured with the same technical settings), the last one isn't coming back. It's underutilized (chances it didn't get a call since my reboot), if it

[asterisk-users] Anybody using TE410P on BT ISDN with DAHDI?

2010-06-22 Thread A J Stiles
Is anybody else using the following combination: * a TE410P card (wct4xxp driver) * a BT ISDN connection * DAHDI 2.3.0.1 * Asterisk 1.6.2.9 I'm trying to configure a new box to replace a legacy system (same hardware; some old version of Asterisk with Zaptel; works lovely but hopelessly

Re: [asterisk-users] Anybody using TE410P on BT ISDN with DAHDI?

2010-06-22 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The old ones should work just as well. Apart from 'echocanceller' lines in system.conf. Those may prevent you from having a working echo canceller, but nothing worse. What do you have in those files? What's the output of lsdahdi ? Files

Re: [asterisk-users] Anybody using TE410P on BT ISDN with DAHDI?

2010-06-22 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:26:28PM +0100, A J Stiles wrote: Is anybody else using the following combination: * a TE410P card (wct4xxp driver) * a BT ISDN connection * DAHDI 2.3.0.1 * Asterisk 1.6.2.9 I'm trying to configure a new box

Re: [asterisk-users] Anybody using TE410P on BT ISDN with DAHDI?

2010-06-22 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010, Scott Stingel wrote: Hi- I've been going through the same upgrade process recently, and had the same error (shown in your other message). I had forgotten that the equipment I was plugged in to was CPE, so I had to change my new setting for that span to NET rather than

Re: [asterisk-users] Anybody using TE410P on BT ISDN with DAHDI?

2010-06-22 Thread A J Stiles
Right. I think I might be getting somewhere. First I commented out all the lines relating to spans 2, 3 and 4 in my /etc/dahdi/system.conf and /etc/asterisk/chan_dahdi.conf, and set up a very minimal dialplan in /etc/asterisk/extensions.conf (just 2 extensions). Then I connected up just span

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