Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-05 Thread Brian Capouch
John Fraizer wrote: Oh, and if you like your Grandstream, don't ever handle, let alone USE a Cisco phone. You'll be ruined for life if you do. My grandstream is now a toy phone for my 1 y/o son. It never was much more than a toy to begin with. Oh, and if you like you're money, don't ever

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-04 Thread John Fraizer
Tony Hoyle wrote: Eric Wieling wrote: Why are you even looking at VoIP? Analog ports and phones are pretty cheap. They are not pretty, but they are cheap and all the smarts are in the PBX. Free calls to the US, basically, since the leased line is dirt cheap to run. ie. the purpose of the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Tony Hoyle
Eric Wieling wrote: Why are you even looking at VoIP? Analog ports and phones are pretty cheap. They are not pretty, but they are cheap and all the smarts are in the PBX. Free calls to the US, basically, since the leased line is dirt cheap to run. ie. the purpose of the exercise is to save

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Philipp von Klitzing
Hi! Our desktop phones were done as a package deal from the building owner (who also runs the existing PBX) for almost nothing. Then one option is to check if you can keep the PBX and the phones, and just put Asterisk in between this PBX and the Telco. Compensate the costs of the Asterisk

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Tony Hoyle
Philipp von Klitzing wrote: Then one option is to check if you can keep the PBX and the phones, and just put Asterisk in between this PBX and the Telco. Compensate the costs of the Asterisk hardware with less spending on calls due to routing through a VoIP proivder etc and see if that makes a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Michael Welter
I would not recommend software RAID. My experience is that, if there is a reboot resulting from an abnormal shutdown, Linux will recover (re-copy) the secondary drive. This process pegs the processor (90-100%) and takes a lng time. Of course, voice quality suffers when a processor is

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Philipp von Klitzing
Hi! BTW: And are you sure people wouldn't like to have voicemail? You'll need to make them want that... ;- I guess you can even argue that voicemail increases productivity. Since we share phones (at least the developers/non customer facing people) voicemail wouldn't work too well

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Thursday 03 June 2004 09:30, Michael Welter wrote: I would not recommend software RAID. My experience is that, if there is a reboot resulting from an abnormal shutdown, Linux will recover (re-copy) the secondary drive. This process pegs the processor (90-100%) and takes a lng time.

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Nik Martin
BTW: And are you sure people wouldn't like to have voicemail? You'll need to make them want that... ;- I guess you can even argue that voicemail increases productivity. Since we share phones (at least the developers/non customer facing people) voicemail wouldn't work too well

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Tony Hoyle
Philipp von Klitzing wrote: So also everyone has a headset plus a soundcard, I assume? ;- Well everyone has a soundcard... There's a load of headsets hanging around the office that get used at various times. Tony -- All your code belongs to Santa Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID:

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Eric Wieling
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 05:27, Tony Hoyle wrote: Eric Wieling wrote: Why are you even looking at VoIP? Analog ports and phones are pretty cheap. They are not pretty, but they are cheap and all the smarts are in the PBX. Free calls to the US, basically, since the leased line is dirt cheap

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Tony Hoyle
Nik Martin wrote: Holy cow. Everyone doesn't have their own phone? What kind of tightwad are you working for? You are wasting FAR MORE money on lost productivity to worry about the cost of a phone. Your boss doesn't realize that, or do you work in a sweatshop environment? Putting a senior

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Stuart Grimshaw
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:28:33 +0100, Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we share phones (at least the developers/non customer facing people) voicemail wouldn't work too well because we'd get each others' messages. The pen sticky pad method seems to be OK. If everyone had their own

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-03 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Thursday 03 June 2004 11:42, Tony Hoyle wrote: Yes but they're not my problem... (Losing 2.5 days a week on meetings then holding another meeting to discuss why we're behind on all the deadlines is either tragic or funny depending on how you look at it). All companies seem to suffer more or

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Sergio Serrano
I know that way, but some person ask for me for first way to do transfers. srsergio -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Stephen R. Besch Enviado el: miƩrcoles, 02 de junio de 2004 15:37 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [Asterisk-Users] Re

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
Stephen R. Besch wrote: Not as far as I know, at least not exactly the way you have outlined it. Try this: 1. call comes to you 2. You hold the call and call other person. 3. You say Someone wants to talk to you, OK, thanks 3a. Other person then hangs up. 3b. You flash back

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Eric Wieling
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 09:44, Tony Hoyle wrote: Ugh. So Asterisk doesn't handle transfer? Every company phone system I've ever used has not required 3a-3d. It looks like a real hack to do so. It anyone working on implementing this? As far as I can tell it's a limitation of the phone,

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread John Fraizer
Tony Hoyle wrote: Stephen R. Besch wrote: Not as far as I know, at least not exactly the way you have outlined it. Try this: 1. call comes to you 2. You hold the call and call other person. 3. You say Someone wants to talk to you, OK, thanks 3a. Other person then hangs up.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
John Fraizer wrote: Asterisk handles transfer just fine. It's the P-O-S Grandstreams that don't. Even this analogue phone that's on my desk handles this... it's not normally a function of the phone, but of the PBX. How do companies that use asterisk handle incoming support calls?? I'm

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Sergio Serrano
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de John Fraizer Enviado el: miƩrcoles, 02 de junio de 2004 19:29 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone Tony Hoyle wrote: Stephen R. Besch wrote: Not as far as I know, at least not exactly the way you have

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Eric Wieling
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 12:52, Tony Hoyle wrote: Even this analogue phone that's on my desk handles this... it's not normally a function of the phone, but of the PBX. How do companies that use asterisk handle incoming support calls?? I'm genuinely surprised anyone can survive without this

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread John Fraizer
Tony Hoyle wrote: John Fraizer wrote: Asterisk handles transfer just fine. It's the P-O-S Grandstreams that don't. Even this analogue phone that's on my desk handles this... it's not normally a function of the phone, but of the PBX. How do companies that use asterisk handle incoming support

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Eric Wieling
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 13:03, Sergio Serrano wrote: I have just to talk with Grandstream and they say to me that they ar working in 3-way conferencing for BT-100 series. I hope they have FW soon. One question more? How can I do parking call with Budgetone. Before # works fine, but Now it

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Aaron J. Angel
Tony Hoyle wrote: Stephen R. Besch wrote: Not as far as I know, at least not exactly the way you have outlined it. Try this: 1. call comes to you 2. You hold the call and call other person. 3. You say Someone wants to talk to you, OK, thanks 3a. Other

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
John Fraizer wrote: your desk has to be able to TELL the PBX you want to transfer a call. No it doesn't there's a universal (?) standard for this - hit recall, dial new number. Heck it even works on PSTN lines if you pay for the right services. So, in short: Buy a cheap phone, get cheap

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Adam Goryachev
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 10:21, Tony Hoyle wrote: John Fraizer wrote: your desk has to be able to TELL the PBX you want to transfer a call. No it doesn't there's a universal (?) standard for this - hit recall, dial new number. Heck it even works on PSTN lines if you pay for the right

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
Adam Goryachev wrote: The smarts are in the PBX not the phone. Though the phone DOES need a way to tell the PBX what it wants to do. The phone is just the interface (like the keyboard on your PC), but the PBX (CPU) is what really does the work That was the point I started with... Well,

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Adam Goryachev
On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:40, Tony Hoyle wrote: Adam Goryachev wrote: Well, actually they are. Sure, for $20 you can buy an analog phone, for $150 you can buy a grandstream, big difference. However, for a PBX class telephone, you are looking at prices $500 per handset No idea what

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Nik Martin
Tony Hoyle wrote: No idea what you mean by PBX class telephone but if anyone at our company spent $500 on a phone they'd probably be fired (unless it was the boss). Our desktop phones were done as a package deal from the building owner (who also runs the existing PBX) for almost nothing.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Nik Martin
Oh and you need a fine digium card to interface with the channel bank. Nik Nik Martin wrote: Tony Hoyle wrote: No idea what you mean by PBX class telephone but if anyone at our company spent $500 on a phone they'd probably be fired (unless it was the boss). Our desktop phones were done as a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
Adam Goryachev wrote: Plus consultative transfer calls Well yes... pbx's job though (usually, although apparently not always...). Plus speaker phone No allowed to use them as they disturb people working. Plus conferencing We have a conferencing phone which is a huge triangular thing with lots of

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Tony Hoyle
Nik Martin wrote: You really should be using analog phones with asterisk. You'll be a hero to your boss, because the phones wont cost a pile. All you need to Since we already have the phones, they won't cost anything :) add is a channel bank for the analog phones, and asterisk. There is a

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Wednesday 02 June 2004 23:13, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: redundant power. Supermicro makes such a system, I think 1 proc, 512M ECC RAM and dual 9G drives was just under USD$1200. Oh yeah -- if you're going to do the TE405P with that supermicro system you're gonna have to saw up the card to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Transfer with Budgetone

2004-06-02 Thread Brian Cuthie
Adam Goryachev wrote: On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:40, Tony Hoyle wrote: Adam Goryachev wrote: Well, actually they are. Sure, for $20 you can buy an analog phone, for $150 you can buy a grandstream, big difference. However, for a PBX class telephone, you are looking at prices $500 per