Re: Regarding Graphs

2005-01-10 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:20:56 -0800, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example: feed xmlns... head link href=http://example.org/feed/ ... /head entry idhttp://example.org/entry/id link rel=related href=http://example.org/feed; / ...

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:36:04 -0800, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceFeedRecursive I like it, but seem to remember a similar proposal being rejected - anyone..? This approach should be pretty straightforward to program against, and what's

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Graham
On 10 Jan 2005, at 4:10 am, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jan 9, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Graham wrote: -1; Conceptual masturbation. Wow, you like it that much? It must be a really good idea, then, since we are all just doing this to keep you stimulated. Sarcasm and everything. Wow. Seriously, though, all

Re: Signatures in feeds of Aggregated Entry Documents

2005-01-10 Thread Antone Roundy
On Sunday, January 9, 2005, at 03:18 AM, Eric Scheid wrote: sidebar: does the signature technology we use for the atom format allow us to state that certain child elements are not to be included in the signature algorithm. I'm thinking of something along the lines of the following... feed

RE: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Bob Wyman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: a proposal on making the feed element recursive Equivalent proposals have often been made in the past (sometimes by me!). These proposals fall in the category that we've come to know as Feed of Feeds. Each time the proposal has been made, it has been rejected. This

Re: Hash for Links [Was: Re: Posted PaceEnclosuresAndPix]

2005-01-10 Thread Walter Underwood
This is really cache management. Use e-tags, from the HTTP 1.1 spec. Or use an HTTP cache, which would require no changes to Atom. Going thorugh a client-side HTTP 1.1 cache would automatically take advantage of the e-tags and other caching information in HTTP. wunder --On Saturday, January 08,

Re: Atom Link element: Failure

2005-01-10 Thread Henry Story
Ok, I give up on this task. I have just found that when there is a rdf:Resource you can't also have attributes. And that attributes have to be qualified. It is a real pity. It would be good to make a list of what we would have needed from RDF/XML to make Atom be rdf, and then work backwards to

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Antone Roundy
On Sunday, January 9, 2005, at 05:36 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I just created a starting point for a proposal on making the feed element recursive, eliminating the need for RDF syntax, atom:head, and a bunch of things proposed in other paces regarding aggregators and digital signatures.

RE: Atom Link element: Failure

2005-01-10 Thread Jeremy Gray
Henry, would you mind sending me a copy of the example you were trying to work up? I took a scroll through your recent emails to see if I could figure out which one gave you so much trouble, but I'm not sure if I'm looking at the right materials or not. I'm curious because you mention that when

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Danny Ayers
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:49:35 -0500, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: a proposal on making the feed element recursive The primary arguments against Feed of Feeds have been (my apologies if I forgot some...) Thanks Bob. IMHO there are pretty strong

RE: Please Review: Dissemination of Earthquake / Tsunami data via Atom

2005-01-10 Thread Bob Wyman
Weve made a good bit of progress on cleaning up our PubSub Earthquake/Tsunami reporting service and would like to ask folk on the list to take a look at the feed were generating. (Note: This isnt publicly announced yet, so please restrict comments to personal email or the list.) You can

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 10, 2005, at 6:54 AM, Graham wrote: Seriously, though, all you've done is not bothered to flatten the data at any point. Why is that a goal? We know all of the data is in the leaves, so flattening them is what happens when the entries are processed depth-first. While this may please you,

Re: Atom Link element: Success

2005-01-10 Thread Henry Story
Ok, I don't know what happened to me there. I must have been overly tired. I went to do some weigh lifting, came back and found that my reasoning is in fact correct. In fact if you put in the following rdf ?xml version=1.0? atom:Entry xmlns:atom=http://purl.org/atom/#;

Re: PaceFeedRecursive

2005-01-10 Thread Eric Scheid
On 11/1/05 6:59 AM, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I don't think there is any benefit in the normal case (feed ::= meta, (meta, content)*), but the recursive nesting method makes it possible to convey information about relationships between feeds. Which begs the questions: How

atom entry documents, feed alternates, mime-types

2005-01-10 Thread Eric Scheid
I've realised another use case for atom entry documents. I'm using del.icio.us to track certain memes. For example: http://del.icio.us/tag/atom http://del.icio.us/tag/rss http://del.icio.us/tag/folksonomy For each of those pages they offer an RSS feed. The feed's entries contain the

PaceIRI

2005-01-10 Thread Martin Duerst
I have completed (as far as I'm concerned) PaceIRI. The proposal is simple, namely to allow IRIs wherever the spec currently allows URIs. I have given details of what needs to be changed in the spec for that to happen. If anything is unclear, I'm glad to help out the editors. As far as I remember,

content for text/ or +xml SHOULD be local? (was: Re: Hash for Links)

2005-01-10 Thread Martin Duerst
At 05:59 05/01/09, Robert Sayre wrote: http://atompub.org/2004/10/20/draft-ietf-atompub-format-03.html#rfc.section.5.10.2 If the value of type begins with text/ or ends with +xml, the content SHOULD be local; that is to say, no src attribute should be provided. If you want to suggest language

Re: PaceIRI

2005-01-10 Thread Martin Duerst
At 16:04 05/01/11, Martin Duerst wrote: I have completed (as far as I'm concerned) PaceIRI. Just to help everybody to look at it faster, here is the URI/IRI: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceIRI Sorry I forgot. The proposal is simple, namely to allow IRIs wherever the spec currently