Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-04 Thread Bob Wyman
James M Snell wrote: b. recommended inclusion of a source element in signed entries. +1 bob wyman

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-02 Thread James Cerra
--- Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No and no. My new proposed wording is: Atom Processors that verify signed Atom Documents MUST be able to canonicalize with Canonical XML. That requires that a recipient, at a minimum, be able to handle messages that are canonicalized

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-02 Thread Dave Pawson
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 16:13 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Paul, two points. For me to be happy, your specification must mandate that xmldsig be used whenever encryption is used. As a consequence of this and your decision not to support MACs, then in order to encrypt a document, you must sign

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-02 Thread Danny Ayers
+1 to Paul's suggestions, with the adjustments as suggested, worded as the editors feel comfortable. Without deployment of signed Atom to draw on this is unlikely to be perfect. Just do whatever it takes to satisfy the discuss. -- http://dannyayers.com

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Martin Duerst
At 10:26 05/07/01, Paul Hoffman wrote: To be added near the end of Section 5.1 of atompub-format: Section 6.5.1 of [W3C.REC-xmldsig-core-20020212] requires support for Canonical XML. Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST use Canonical XML. Hello Paul, The rest of your

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Martin Duerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-01 09:55]: The rest of your changes looked reasonable, but the MUST above looks too strong to me. What about something like Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST support the use of Canonical XML. or even Atom Processors that sign Atom

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-01 03:40]: Below is what Russ asks for, and my suggested changes. The WG should let me know if they agree or disagree with my wording. +1 to all changes, except that Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST use Canonical XML. should be

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Eric Scheid
On 1/7/05 7:01 PM, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST support the use of Canonical XML. what about Atom Processors that are not signing stuff, but is instead reading/validating those signatures? e.

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 4:44 PM +0900 7/1/05, Martin Duerst wrote: At 10:26 05/07/01, Paul Hoffman wrote: To be added near the end of Section 5.1 of atompub-format: Section 6.5.1 of [W3C.REC-xmldsig-core-20020212] requires support for Canonical XML. Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST use

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Eric Scheid [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-01 11:25]: On 1/7/05 7:01 PM, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atom Processors that sign Atom Documents MUST support the use of Canonical XML. what about Atom Processors that are not signing stuff, but is instead reading/validating

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Walter Underwood
--On July 1, 2005 4:44:23 PM +0900 Martin Duerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for this is to make sure we have interoperability with a mandatory-to-implement (and default-to-use) canonicalization, but that we don't disallow other canonicalizations that for one or the other as of now

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread James M Snell
+1 on Paul's suggested changes and +1 on wunder's comments below. Walter Underwood wrote: --On July 1, 2005 4:44:23 PM +0900 Martin Duerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for this is to make sure we have interoperability with a mandatory-to-implement (and default-to-use)

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Tim Bray
On Jun 30, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: Greetings again. Russ Housley, one of the two Security Area Directors, has placed a discuss vote on the Atom format document. You can read it at https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/ pidtracker.cgi?command=view_commentid=36890.

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Mark Nottingham
+1 On 01/07/2005, at 8:36 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 4:44 PM +0900 7/1/05, Martin Duerst wrote: At 10:26 05/07/01, Paul Hoffman wrote: To be added near the end of Section 5.1 of atompub-format: Section 6.5.1 of [W3C.REC-xmldsig-core-20020212] requires support for

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman
Using this bare sentence: There are many application scenarios where Atom users will wish to apply digital signature, encryption, or both to Atom documents. is not useful. One cannot read the sentence without asking What are they? Can you tell me what inspired the assertion? Please, a

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Sam Hartman
Paul, two points. For me to be happy, your specification must mandate that xmldsig be used whenever encryption is used. As a consequence of this and your decision not to support MACs, then in order to encrypt a document, you must sign it. In addition, in order to accept this encrypted

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread James M Snell
Paul Hoffman wrote: Unfortunately, the complexity of XML and the variety of contexts in which it is used made it impossible for the XMLDSIG WG to come up with one set of canonicalization rules that are distinguished. By distinguished, I mean that there is exactly one way to represent

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 1:45 PM -0700 7/1/05, James M Snell wrote: Paul Hoffman wrote: Unfortunately, the complexity of XML and the variety of contexts in which it is used made it impossible for the XMLDSIG WG to come up with one set of canonicalization rules that are distinguished. By distinguished, I

Re: Clearing a discuss vote on the Atom format

2005-07-01 Thread James M Snell
Paul Hoffman wrote: Does this requirement restrict our ability to use exclusive c14n on individually signed entries within a feed document? No and no. My new proposed wording is: Atom Processors that verify signed Atom Documents MUST be able to canonicalize with Canonical XML. That