Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:09 -1000 (HST), Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then my point is moot as long as XHTML inline content may be XHTML 1.0 Transitional. A second argument that inline XHTML may be XHTML 1.0 Transitional is that it satisfies the need for well-formed XML. You do

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 6:23 PM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But type='TEXT' is only a degenerate case of type='XHTML' (type='XHTML' with only text content). What value does type='TEXT' add to the format except the ability of feedvalidator.org to detect cases where there are element children

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 27, 2005, at 09:41, Tim Bray wrote: OK, you've advanced this argument several times now. If you want to change the Atom format to remove type=TEXT, write a Pace (it'll be short easy) and see if you can build consensus. http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceTypeTextRedundant I have to

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Danny Ayers
I only noticed this thread after looking at the same material through RDF-tinted spectacles. A question for the schema mavens: is there *any* clear way of describing the difference between the three content types (TEXT/HTML/XHTML) in a machine readable fashion? In the Rosy-tinted Description

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Robert Sayre
Graham wrote: On 27 Jan 2005, at 1:34 pm, Sam Ruby wrote: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceTypeTextRedundant There are cases where explicit is better than implicit. Yes. It's more a psychological rather than a technical difference, but I think it's important (it's like the difference

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 27, 2005, at 17:50, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 27, 2005, at 4:46 AM, Eric Scheid wrote: however, the spec says: The content SHOULD be XHTML text and markup that could validly appear directly within an xhtml:div element. which could lead others to make the same mistake I must have made.

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-27 Thread Sam Ruby
Antone Roundy wrote: On Thursday, January 27, 2005, at 12:47 AM, Eric Scheid wrote: On 27/1/05 6:23 PM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But type='TEXT' is only a degenerate case of type='XHTML' (type='XHTML' with only text content). What value does type='TEXT' add to the format except the

Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
Quoting from draft-ietf-atompub-format-04: 3.1.1 type Attribute ... If the value is TEXT, the content of the Text construct MUST NOT contain child elements. Such text is intended to be presented to humans in a readable fashion. Thus, software MAY display it using normal text

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: What's the difference between: atom:title type='TEXT'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title and atom:title type='XHTML'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title ? Shouldn't both render as I do not like marquee? Yeah, but if you

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:18, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: What's the difference between: atom:title type='TEXT'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title and atom:title type='XHTML'I do not like ![CDATA[]]marqueegt;/atom:title ? Shouldn't both render

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Lucas Gonze
On Jan 26, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: FWIW, with the exception of content, I think allowing only %inline XHTML elements would make more sense than allowing %flow. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Tim Bray wrote: Anyone else pro or con on this one? -Tim This has elegance and is intuitively

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: But if you can always substitute type='TEXT' with type='XHTML' but not the other way round, what's the point of having type='TEXT' in the spec? With type='TEXT' you know it's not going to contain any (X)HTML formatting, so you don't have to

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 27, 2005, at 00:45, Robert Sayre wrote: But guess what, TEXT is *never* coming out of the spec, because it will eventually become impossible to write something that looks like markup if we don't have it. How so? What does type='TEXT' make possible to write that type='XHTML' with a single

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 9:24 AM, Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand what your example is demonstrating. How would the above be different from: title type='XHTML'Iamp;nbsp;doamp;nbsp;notamp;nbsp;likeamp;nbsp;lt; marquee/title title type='XHTML'Ido not like

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Henri Sivonen wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:46, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote: But if you can always substitute type='TEXT' with type='XHTML' but not the other way round, what's the point of having type='TEXT' in the spec? With type='TEXT' you know it's not

Re: Difference of TEXT and XHTML?

2005-01-26 Thread Lucas Gonze
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Henri Sivonen wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 23:40, Lucas Gonze wrote: XHTML doesn't have styling elements like font, HTML does. Both XHTML 1.0 Transitional and HTML 4.01 Transitional have font. Neither XHTML 1.0 Strict nor HTML 4.01 Strict has font. Then my point is moot as long