Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:52:58 -0500, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny Ayers wrote: Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be guarenteed to point to the feed URI itself. That's not a very robust way to accomplish the goal.

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem of copying. I see no downside. There are going to be scenarios where it's not reliable, but there are going to

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:37:47 -0800, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem of copying. I see no downside.

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:15:46 -0500, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, this is already possible with RSS 1.0. Really? How is it done? My apologies, the RSS 1.0 spec actually says the rss:channel resource is ...either the URL of the homepage being described or a URL where the RSS

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Graham
On 15 Jan 2005, at 8:28 pm, David Powell wrote: 11.1 Verifying the Authenticity of Self Links Can someone explain the attack model here? The worst that I can see happening is that when you try to subscribe to my feed, you end up subscribed to someone else's. How does this harm anyone but me?

Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Danny Ayers
I was just in the middle of putting the world to rights regarding feed discovery/subscription from browsers [1] when something occurred to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the solutions for this to serve the feed with the Atom mime type, which will trigger an appropriate handler in

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Robert Sayre
Danny Ayers wrote: Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be guarenteed to point to the feed URI itself. That's not a very robust way to accomplish the goal. People tend to use cp without thinking about these things. The browser vendors will

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread John Panzer
Hmmm. Not looking at the spec, but at the feeds we're currently producting for AOL Journals, our feeds have link rel=service.feed ... essentially pointing to themselves, which I yesterday thought was redundant but perhaps is actually useful. Useful enough to be mandatory, perhaps? -John Danny

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Eric Scheid
On 15/1/05 7:37 AM, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I remember correctly from previous discussions, there is a little snag with most browsers only passing the data, not the source URI. Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be