Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-16 Thread Roger B.
Danny: Works for me, at least in the sense that I have no problem with it while wearing either of my blogging or aggregating hats. I would like to see some of the objections fleshed out a bit, though, just in case we're overlooking something significant. -- Roger Benningfield

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-16 Thread Graham
On 16 Jan 2005, at 9:38 am, David Powell wrote: Feed id's are optional, so software is likely to use the feed location to identify feeds. So if a user subscribes to a feed with a faked "self" link, then they will see the initial entries of the faked document, merged with future entries from the rea

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-16 Thread David Powell
Saturday, January 15, 2005, 8:52:39 PM, you wrote: > On 15 Jan 2005, at 8:28 pm, David Powell wrote: >> 11.1 Verifying the Authenticity of Self Links > Can someone explain the attack model here? The worst that I can see > happening is that when you try to subscribe to my feed, you end up >

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Graham
On 15 Jan 2005, at 8:28 pm, David Powell wrote: 11.1 Verifying the Authenticity of Self Links Can someone explain the attack model here? The worst that I can see happening is that when you try to subscribe to my feed, you end up subscribed to someone else's. How does this harm anyone but me? Gr

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:15:46 -0500, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, this is already possible with RSS 1.0. > > Really? How is it done? My apologies, the RSS 1.0 spec actually says the rss:channel resource is "...either the URL of the homepage being described or a URL where the R

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread David Powell
Saturday, January 15, 2005, 6:59:12 PM, you wrote: > Tim Bray wrote: >> On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: >> >>> Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help >>> solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem >>> of copying. >> >> >>

RE: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Bob Wyman
Danny Ayers wrote: > we don't have a link from the feed that can be guarenteed to point > to the feed URI itself. If these links were in the feed's element it would make life easier for us at PubSub.com. We currently insert a link pointing to the source feed into every entry that we inser

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Robert Sayre
Danny Ayers wrote: This creates a unique situation for users, where they can download a feed, but possibly not subscribe to it. Right now there's no way to subscribe from say IE. That's not the point. That does not result in a support call to the aggregator vendor, because it's IE's problem.

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:16:37 -0500, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Well, it does make it easy for me to put entries in your feed. > > > > > > ...and to confirm they weren't there to start with. > > How so? Do I go back and confirm with the server? Why did I downoad a > whole feed to

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Robert Sayre
Danny Ayers wrote: On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:59:12 -0500, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem of

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem of copying. I see no downside. There are going to be scenarios where it's not reliable, but ther

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:59:12 -0500, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Bray wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: > > > >> Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help > >> solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem >

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:37:47 -0800, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: > > > Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help > > solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem > > of copying. > > I see no

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 15, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Seems to me like making a source-URI reference a SHOULD would help solve an immediate problem, irrespective of the hypothetical problem of copying. I see no downside. There are going to be scenarios where it's not reliable, but there are going to be

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:52:58 -0500, Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Danny Ayers wrote: > > > Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link > > from the feed that can be guarenteed to point to the feed URI itself. > > That's not a very robust way to accomplish the

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Joe Gregorio
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:58:59 -0800, John Panzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmmm. Not looking at the spec, but at the feeds we're currently > producting for AOL Journals, our feeds have ...> essentially pointing to themselves, which I yesterday thought was > redundant but perhaps is actually

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Eric Scheid
On 15/1/05 7:37 AM, "Danny Ayers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I remember correctly from previous discussions, there is a little > snag with most browsers only passing the data, not the source URI. > Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link > from the feed that can

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread John Panzer
Hmmm. Not looking at the spec, but at the feeds we're currently producting for AOL Journals, our feeds have essentially pointing to themselves, which I yesterday thought was redundant but perhaps is actually useful. Useful enough to be mandatory, perhaps? -John Danny Ayers wrote on 1/14/2005,

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread John Panzer
Hmmm. Not looking at the spec, but at the feeds we're currently producting for AOL Journals, our feeds have essentially pointing to themselves, which I yesterday thought was redundant but perhaps is actually useful. Useful enough to be mandatory, perhaps? -John Danny Ayers wrote on 1/14/20

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Robert Sayre
Danny Ayers wrote: Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be guarenteed to point to the feed URI itself. That's not a very robust way to accomplish the goal. People tend to use "cp" without thinking about these things. The browser vendors will d