Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hello all. So as you see from the title, I'm stating why I prefer the NVDA Windows screen reader over JAWS. Honestly, it boils down to only a few things. So without further to do, let's not waste time and get going.1. Price.This is one thing that a lot

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS good post, i agree. Although, freedom scientific have tried to make plans for jaws not as expensive, e.g: i believe they have a 90 day trial and a monthly or yearly subscription to avoid paying all up front. Just my opinion? its too little; too late at this

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I agree with you there. And also, why can't Microsoft just make Narrator a full functioning screen reader? That would end the wars and solve everyone's problem URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481941/#p481941 -- Audiogames-reflector ma

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I, as a JAWS user from 2005? to 2011 and as an NVDA user since 2011 (I've used other screen readers like Super Nova (at the time Access Suite (now called Mag&Screen Reader)), the defunct thunder and other which I don't know the name of), I

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS well, I suppose FS says they're helping people, and that's true for some. But countries with less money or just people who are less fortunate, nope. Forget it. And honistly, even though i have both, I still prefer nvda because of mostly 1 reaso

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Jaws has a lot of support for commonly used programs, and it had support for some of these programs long before NVDA even existed.Jaws tends to be more robust and has more overall features. Now, I'm not saying all these features are useful or cutting

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS hiI'm using windows 7 with Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1000M @ 1.80GHz and 2GB ram. When I try jaws, it takes like 3 minutes just for it to start while NVDA only takes like 5 seconds to start. So even if I want it to, I can't use jaws well

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I don't agree with what Freedom Scientific, or VFO, or whatever they choose to call themselves on any particular day is doing. Their business practices and overall philosophy makes me sick, and they don't really seem to care about the average user

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I don't agree with what Freedom Scientific, or VFO, or whatever they choose to call themselves on any particular day is doing. Their business practices and overall philosophy make me sick, and they don't really seem to care about the average user

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I don't agree with what Freedom Scientific, or VFO, or whatever they choose to call themselves on any particular day is doing. Their business practices and overall philosophy makes me sick, and they don't really seem to care about the average user

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I don't agree with what Freedom Scientific, or VFO, or whatever they choose to call themselves on any particular day is doing. Their business practices and overall philosophy makes me sick, and they don't really seem to care about the average user

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS TL: DR:  This type of post has been done a thousand times and always causes stupid arguments.  It's pointless because the OP doesn't know enough to make a proper judgement, and it always comes down to personal preference anyway.Dammit rwbeardjr, w

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hello,defender wrote:TL: DR:  This type of post has been done a thousand times and always causes stupid arguments.  It's pointless because the OP doesn't know enough to make a proper judgement, and it always comes down to personal preference any

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I do think that sometimes it depends on the preferences but for me, I'd always choose NVDA over JAWS. I did use JAWS earlier but around 3 to 4 years ago I switched to NVDA and have rarely ever used thta screen reader. Personally, I don't feel like

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Defender wrote:I strongly believe that all of us should have both screen readers on our computer if at all possible and be at least decent with both of them, as well as Narrator if on Windows 8 or above. I'm afraid defender, the problem is even befor

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS See, the issue is that FS/VFO/whatever know that should companies and orgs wise up to the fact that the price model they use is unrealistic and never works in reality without what they have in place, they'll collapse and cease to exist. So they do their

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS See, the issue is that FS/VFO/whatever know that should companies and orgs wise up to the fact that the price model they use is unrealistic and never works in reality without what they have in place, they'll collapse and cease to exist. So they do their

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkI was taking the price into account when I said that.  I was suggesting either the demo (which is super annoying but does almost everything the full version does and restarting is fast on new hardware) or having it paid for by school/work/vocational

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkI was taking the price into account when I said that.  I was suggesting either the demo (which is super annoying but does almost everything the full version does and restarting is fast on new hardware) or having it paid for by school/work/vocational

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkI was taking the price into account when I said that.  I was suggesting either the demo (which is super annoying but does almost everything the full version does and restarting is fast on new hardware) or having it paid for by school/work/vocational

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I'm afraid defender, I don't agree with you as far as "keep a demo on your computer and get someone else to pay for it" idea, firstly because government grants are not as easy to come by for many people (especially after your first degree

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.@dark, really? I've not used JAWS in a long time but I thought it was a 40 minute mode and you could use it for as long as you were willing to restart your computer?Personally I think JAWS should have a 30 day trile thing that way you don'

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS thing is, posts such as these die quickly and over, because we as of a couple of years until now pretty much agree that fs is just going downhill fast, with bad business practices and so on. But I do see some flaws int he original post:point 5 is just too

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @8 JAWS scripts are still not worth it. NVDA add ons are basically the same thing. And @defender, I actually do understand JAWS. I use it because my school pays for everyone who needs the license. Do I know it as in depth as I know NVDA? No. However, I do

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Nvda is really laggy in xl. I decided to use memory cuz it was taking too much time. However, in other stuff nvda is a better all rounderJFW maybe a better sr, but nvda is a more rounded offering in price, usability etc URL: https://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS rwbeardjr wrote:defender, please never tell me what I understand and what I don't understand. Thanks. That's like if you made a topic about why TalkBack is better than Voiceover, and I tell you, "You don't understand Voiceover". Who

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I don't understand URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482220/#p482220 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkIt gives you allot of warnings actually (too many IMO) and it lasts for ever not 15 days.  If what you said was the case I would totally agree with you though.As for depending on others to keep your software license up to date, I agree.  That&#

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkIt gives you allot of warnings actually (too many IMO) and it lasts for ever not 15 days.  If what you said was the case I would totally agree with you though.As for depending on others to keep your software license up to date, I agree.  That&#

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkIt gives you allot of warnings actually (too many IMO) and it lasts for ever not 15 days.  If what you said was the case I would totally agree with you though.As for depending on others to keep your software license up to date, I agree.  That&#

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS This point about Ferrari and all that is an excellent one.If someone came to me and asked me which screenreader they should use, I would probably point them at NVDA, particularly if they were going to have to pay for it and had no support out of the gate

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkIt gives you allot of warnings actually (too many IMO) and it lasts for ever not 15 days.  If what you said was the case I would totally agree with you though.As for depending on others to keep your software license up to date, I agree.  That&#

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Counter argument to the sportscar Yes. While a Ferari 812 superfast maybe a killer in power, its dead in practicality. Also the Tesla model 3 P80D  has more usability and has simular performance for quarter the price. Hope you understand my analagy. URL

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS My problem with the Ferrari analogy, is that we're not  here talking about a ferrari vs a pushbike, that is something ridiculously expensive with half a tonne of good features vs a no good free alternative. The fact that we're even having this co

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS i kow that freedom scientific offers instead of a 40 minute demo of jaws, they offer a 90 day trial. Except that, you have to pay. Just what? I mean, that's steeling money from people. 40 minutes to test out a product is not enough. I mean, the nerve...

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS i know that freedom scientific offers instead of a 40 minute demo of jaws, they offer a 90 day trial. Except that, you have to pay. Just what? I mean, that's steeling money from people. 40 minutes to test out a product is not enough. I mean, the

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Forty minutes to test out a product, when you can trigger it indefinitely? That's actually pretty generous. As far as I'm aware, demo mode never ends. i.e., you can use it in forty-minute bursts basically forever. Not ideal though.What is no

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @DarkTotally agree with all you said, and I'd never call NVDA a pushbike, but I still can't just ignore those features, and not all of them are that niche either, such as the context sensitive help, OCR, office support, and virtual ribbons.@ign

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS YOU HAVE To UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT SAYING JAWS IS BAD BUT IN A LOT OF CASES, MAINLY OUTSIDE OF THE WORK PLACE, NVDA DOES JUST AS

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @ Jade, I get what your saying, but that the 40 minute is never-ending, you have to restart your machine after 40 minutes. Not worth it. I mean, there are times where you are working or playing online, where you cannot afford to restart. There are more

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS And...what I'm trying to tell you is that some people would be willing to work through that. I was for awhile. I would interrupt MSN convos, play sessions on MUDs and such in order to restart my machine. It was a known thing. My friends poked at me f

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @28, I must disagree on JAWS's supposedly great OCR features. JAWS and NVDA are pretty much equal on that front, though I don't know if JAWS has windows 10 OCR. (Sde note: if you go check out https://support.freedomscientific.com/d … WSWhatsN

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Yep, Jaws has omni page by I believe Nuance, though could  be wrong on this. I have no idea how many languages it supports, but Windows 10 OCR is way more international, so good OCR is not a fact. Yes, you require Windows 10, which not everybody uses, but

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @EthinThat proprietary technology is plane better, at least with documents and Windows, maybe not streaming from Xbox.As long as you have your resolution set correctly, it blows Win 10 OCR out of the water, and I've done tests to prove this on the

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Citation needed: Seriously.How is this OCR better? What can it do that windows can't?I'd totally test this stuff out, but I do not want to inflict jaws on my GPU drivers as they'll probably break everything and I really don't want t

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Citation needed: Seriously.How is this OCR better? What can it do that windows can't?I'd totally test this stuff out, but I do not want to inflict jaws on my GPU drivers as it'll probably break everything and I really don't want to have t

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Heh, I feel you Exodus, but if you have Win 10 than JAWS would use Microsoft drivers by default now anyway, so no messing with video intercept, though it is still a fallback option.As for how it's better?  It just grabs more text and tends to do a sli

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @EthinThat proprietary technology is plane better, at least with documents and Windows, maybe not streaming from Xbox.As long as you have your resolution set correctly, it blows Win 10 OCR out of the water, and I've done tests to prove this on the

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I talked to VFO/freedom scientific sales yesterday and they now offer a Jaws license for the most current version for 90 dollars a year. That's about what microsoft office costs, I believe. Is it too late? Probably. Will I spend the money even tho

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I talked to VFO/freedom scientific sales yesterday and they now offer a Jaws license for the most current version for 90 dollars a year. That's about what microsoft office costs, I believe. Is it too late? Probably. Will I spend the money even tho

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I talked to VFO/freedom scientific sales yesterday and they now offer a Jaws license for the most current version for 90 dollars a year. That's about what microsoft office costs, I believe. Is it too late in the game for their motives to be anything

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Great post Audacity!It's just too bad that you have to pay yearly even if their are no useful updates, which is sadly allot more common now than it used to be, though 2020 wasn't so bad at least...And if you can't pay right on time for w

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I think that $90 a year thing is only for US customers, but I could be wrong, I would have to check.If only they did that a few years back, it's certainly more afordable than the price they use to charge for a SMA renewal.That's one of the reasons

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.Yeah, eloquence is still the default voice with JAWS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483201/#p483201 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.One thin I do like about JAWS now that I've tried it out again is that JAWS says if the link is visited first. When you're on youtube this is quite useful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483203/#p483203 -- Audiogames-reflector ma

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @Cool TurkActually, the annual price is identical to the SMA pricing for the same time period.  I believe SMA renewal is every three years, and it costs 270USD.And yes, it's only available in the U.S. which sucks.@BradNVDA announces visited links as

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @Cool_turkOh, that's not good it's only available in the U.S. This is why NVDA is a game changer for so many people and I'd never say it isn't.@DefenderI've chabged a few of these settings, not all. Thing is, and I have no eviden

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I have used jaws for a few years and I will never get it again. Jaws failed me and when I needed it the most. Stupid jaws didn’t worn me that I was going to get a virus, I wonder if N V D A would have done that to me. Jaws13.0 is a major let down and left me

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.I was just uninstalling jaws and wow! There's so much to uninstall!They can't make it easy can they? You must uninstall this, then that, then that, then this thing. So much work when an uninstaller that uninstalls all fredom scientific stuff at

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @Blind angel 444Excuse me?  It didn't warn you that you were going to get a virus?I assume that you meant it didn't read the notifications from your anti virus program, and that you don't actually expect it to stop viruses on it'

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @Blind angel 444Excuse me?  It didn't warn you that you were going to get a virus?I assume that you meant it didn't read the notifications from your anti virus program, and that you don't actually expect it to stop viruses on it's own

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS i agree with mostly of defender's arguements.thou i m a Jaws user since 2000. Though i use Nvda over Jaws these days. The most important things i don't like on Nvda are, You need to install addons for each functioning setup while Jaws doesn'

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.One gripe i have with NvDA is that when reading and navigating longer and bigger documents NVDA seams to get stuck and key presses take about half to one full second to be processed and passed to the speach synthesizer.I haven't had that with jaws,

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS To be fair, JAWS has trouble in larger documents too, just when using tools like text analyzer and skim read with custom rules, so bad it often crashes, which is a big shame considering how powerful those features can be.But yes, navigation wise it does seem

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hello,If you're using microsoft word, go to advanced settings and check Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls when available checkbox. It speeds up navigation a lot. Also turn off page announcements. You can see the current page y

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS I wasn't aware that page announcements slowed things down.  Good to know! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483989/#p483989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cg

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @46 jaws didn’t do anything, it froze and it didn’t give any warnings about the danger ahead. My anti virus software didn’t work with jaws. When jaws was half way working it would have alerted me about the virus but it didn’t work. I didn’t perches jaws or

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Hi.@Blind angel, vipre and the anti virus program that comes with windows 10 works fine with NVDA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/484005/#p484005 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS

Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS Thank you for the recommendation, I will keep it in mind. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/484031/#p484031 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

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Re: Why I prefer NVDA over JAWS @Blind angel 444That doesn't sound like the fault of JAWS at all, and I very much doubt that NVDA would have done any better in that situation.Blame the software publishers and their lack of caring about accessibility. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net